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Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by hackermailman »

vinay427 wrote: post #48
hackermailman wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Huawei 'war' is between the 5 Eyes Alliance countries and China, not just the US. If you live in Canada, Australia etc, you have persistent propaganda being released in the media warning of the evils of Huawei 5G hardware. My cynical view is Huawei has some sort of edge on competitors to quickly deploy 5G around the world (state subsidies possibly), and the 5 Eyes Alliance will lose their 'information dominance'…

This seems to assume that the 5 Eyes alliance has backdoors in products by the competition: products by continental European companies (Ericsson, etc.) that don't have a notable history of this. That's a strong assumption to make.

I'm not suggesting the companies are compliant, the 5 Eyes Alliance probably doesn't want to give up it's cheap and easy access to telecom hardware ie: information dominance. The executives of Cisco back in 2014 lamented how all the Snowden leaks about backdooring their equipment boosted Huawei: https://venturebeat.com/2014/08/13/nsa-spying-tech-companies...

“This week a number of media outlets reported another serious allegation: that the National Security Agency took steps to compromise IT products enroute to customers, including Cisco products. We comply with US laws, like those of many other countries, which limit exports to certain customers and destinations; we ought to be able to count on the government to then not interfere with the lawful delivery of our products in the form in which we have manufactured them."

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by NicoJuicy »

zupreme wrote: post #21

So many US corporations are sacrificing potential billions in global comsumer confidence and flat-out revenue loss backing the “trade war”. What assurances are they getting which makes them willing to take the leap, I wonder? At the end of the day any losses have to be explained to sharebolders, regadless of political loyalties.

It's an excuse for long term thinking and out of control for the shareholders.

Ever since every Chinese company with >50 employees requires a representative of the communist party. Every multinational knows that China will screw them over. They just have an excuse now.

Plenty of multinationals that don't want to do business there.

I haven't heard any of them subject truthfully that they hate not able to do business there.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by dontbenebby »

seniorivn wrote: post #66
losteric wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are talking about the federal government - do you think suits from the three-letter agencies will accept that reasoning? No. If they want quiet intercepts, that's what they get... even if it means "slow down conveyor belts and post agents to manually read every incoming package label before it hits the scanner". This was either unrelated or an intentionally loud message.

Three letter agencies are not gods, they make mistakes, they underestimate complexity of some issues and etc. After all they are just people with too much power.

And companies that are compelled to help three letter agencies to exercise any lateral thinking/do more than the exact directions in the order. (Especially when compliance may cost them future international business)

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by creato »

Jerry2 wrote: post #72

Packages were probably getting a free "upgrade". The same upgrade that cost Cisco billions in revenue over the past 5 years. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa...

Upgrades like what? Spell checking? These were packages of documents.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by tinus_hn »

codedokode wrote: post #59
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #22

Hanlon's razor applies here. If there was truly something nefarious going on, why would FedEx update the tracking status to say that the packages were re-routed? Why not just say they were held up in the sending or receiving country?

Because there was nobody who thought about it. We had a similar situation in Russia. A mobile operator was cooperating with government to hack into activists' Telegram accounts. They disabled SMS service for a user and then requested a password restore using SMS, intercepted it and got access. But they forgot to delete this information from their internal systems, so when the user called support, they told them that…

Alternatively someone was forced to do something he didn’t believe in and purposefully didn’t erase all his tracks.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by contingencies »

Regardless of the cause of this particular set of events, corporate media engagement as resistance against state actors is the only logical development that can be expected following the Snowden revelations which confirmed that long-theorized postal interception methods are in use. This creates additional pushback for FedEx who now have to prove they aren't working for US intelligence, or face losing additional customers. While other state actors remain valid threats, given US involvement was proven by Snowden and FedEx is so global I am kind of surprised that neither Deutsche Post[0] nor ZTO[1] nor SF Express[2] shares are up on the news.

[0] http://en.boerse-frankfurt.de/stock/Deutsche_Post-share [1] https://www.nyse.com/quote/XNYS:ZTO [2] http://www.szse.cn/English/siteMarketData/siteMarketDatas/lo...

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by tinus_hn »

99_00 wrote: post #63
strooper wrote: post #43

Not related to this package delivery drama, but the way we are observing the live demolition of the world largest networking equipment maker and second largest smartphone maker (by number) in the name of trade war will never bring back the confidence in those who are flexing muscle. The illusion of the rule of law, free world, globalization and the reality of control is simply frightening, and worrisome.

Blacklisting Huawei is for national security reasons not because of the trade war. Because of the trade war the US has stopped turning a blind eye to misdeeds from China and state backed Chinese companies.

It’s just a bargaining chip. If China meets some of Trumps demands, be prepared to watch all these security reasons disappear like snow on a sunny day.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by mattkrause »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #51
jedberg wrote: post #17

Anyone who has shipped with FedEx knows how somehow everything you send goes through Atlanta. I'll bet this was just one of those "logistical efficiency" gone wrong kind of things. Or US intelligence requested the documents be diverted. Either is about equally likely I'd say.

Did you mean Memphis? Atlanta would love to take some or all that traffic away from Memphis since the Atlanta airport is woefully under utilized after midnight.

It’s humans, whether they’re going to heaven or hell, that have a connection in Atlanta.

(ATL is a hub for Delta, and a few other airlines run a ton of flights out of there too)

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