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Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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post #21

So many US corporations are sacrificing potential billions in global comsumer confidence and flat-out revenue loss backing the “trade war”. What assurances are they getting which makes them willing to take the leap, I wonder? At the end of the day any losses have to be explained to sharebolders, regadless of political loyalties.

They aren't getting assurances, they're being threatened with the loss of federal government business.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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>Reuters could not verify the authenticity of the records. Shown the images of the tracking records, FedEx declined to make any comment, saying company policy prevented it from disclosing customer information. //

So they're confirming that the images are customer data, which makes them authentic. If they weren't authentic then they wouldn't be customer information, no?

>FedEx spokeswoman Maury Donahue told Reuters the packages were “misrouted in error” and that FedEx was not requested to divert them by any other party. //

Which doesn't tell us anything as NSA letters, for example, can IIUC require a company to lie to cover up executive activity.

>The U.S. Department of Commerce did not reply to a request for comment on whether the incident might be related to its move on May 16 to add Huawei to the so-called “Entity List,” //

Which is basically "hey are you being a shithead?", "oh, no comment!". Not even bothering to deny it??

>FedEx declined to give details on what the exception was in this case. //

I mean, it sounds a lot like the response of someone caught with their pants down (ie in the act of committing a nefarious offense).

What is clear is that this is more shots fired -- and TBH the message of "you can't trust USA not to be using security letters to pry in to foreign businesses confidential affairs" isn't anything like unbelievable.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

#43
Not related to this package delivery drama, but the way we are observing the live demolition of the world largest networking equipment maker and second largest smartphone maker (by number) in the name of trade war will never bring back the confidence in those who are flexing muscle.

The illusion of the rule of law, free world, globalization and the reality of control is simply frightening, and worrisome.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

#44

Not related to this package delivery drama, but the way we are observing the live demolition of the world largest networking equipment maker and second largest smartphone maker (by number) in the name of trade war will never bring back the confidence in those who are flexing muscle. The illusion of the rule of law, free world, globalization and the reality of control is simply frightening, and worrisome.

> The illusion of the rule of law

Rule of law has always been national. International politics are anarchic. Huawei quite clearly broke the laws of the United States (e.g. with respect to Iran), repeatedly and wilfully.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

#45

>Reuters could not verify the authenticity of the records. Shown the images of the tracking records, FedEx declined to make any comment, saying company policy prevented it from disclosing customer information. // So they're confirming that the images are customer data, which makes them authentic. If they weren't authentic then they wouldn't be customer information, no? >FedEx spokeswoman Maury Donahue told Reuters th…

> So they're confirming that the images are customer data, which makes them authentic. If they weren't authentic then they wouldn't be customer information, no?

I don't think that assumption works. Reuters asked for specific customer information: in particular, whether the records were valid. Answering in the affirmative or negative is divulging customer data, and FedEx would be wise to avoid doing so whether or not it's valid.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

#46
post #21

So many US corporations are sacrificing potential billions in global comsumer confidence and flat-out revenue loss backing the “trade war”. What assurances are they getting which makes them willing to take the leap, I wonder? At the end of the day any losses have to be explained to sharebolders, regadless of political loyalties.

They aren't getting assurances, they're being threatened with the loss of federal government business.

> they're being threatened with the loss of federal government business

Criminal penalties for their executives are the real stick.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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post #17

Anyone who has shipped with FedEx knows how somehow everything you send goes through Atlanta. I'll bet this was just one of those "logistical efficiency" gone wrong kind of things. Or US intelligence requested the documents be diverted. Either is about equally likely I'd say.

If US intelligence wanted it, it would simply get put on hold at some foreign facility while agents go through it there (or use that transparent paper spray). Nothing different would be noticed.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

#48
post #21

So many US corporations are sacrificing potential billions in global comsumer confidence and flat-out revenue loss backing the “trade war”. What assurances are they getting which makes them willing to take the leap, I wonder? At the end of the day any losses have to be explained to sharebolders, regadless of political loyalties.

The Huawei 'war' is between the 5 Eyes Alliance countries and China, not just the US. If you live in Canada, Australia etc, you have persistent propaganda being released in the media warning of the evils of Huawei 5G hardware. My cynical view is Huawei has some sort of edge on competitors to quickly deploy 5G around the world (state subsidies possibly), and the 5 Eyes Alliance will lose their 'information dominance'…

This seems to assume that the 5 Eyes alliance has backdoors in products by the competition: products by continental European companies (Ericsson, etc.) that don't have a notable history of this. That's a strong assumption to make.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

#49
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The back story could just as easily be a shipping error and Huawei trying to drum up anti-American sentiment as a counter to all the bad press the US have directed their way. Sure, it’s highly suspicious that a Hauwei shipment end up in America but equally it seems unlikely FedEx would be dumb enough to advertise that fact on their tracking page if they were ordered to divert said documents. I’m not suggesting there…

Another backstory is that huwai has long believed to be backdoring to chinese intel just as cisco has since the mid 90s... We arrested their cfo in canada and have been on attack with them since. The actual question is - the US has been doing this against them for quite some time now Mr smith. So... Did huwai just realize, or do they have enough anomalous tracking that they are leaking public to measure reaction. Loo…

I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that state sponsored espionage isn’t happening. What people are sceptical of is whether the Huawei / US trade war is a credible example of that.

Half the time these stories seem about as dubious as the Bloomberg (I think it was?) Supermicro debacle.

I’m genuinely open to the possibility there is something covert going on but equally I’m also exercising some healthy scepticism about the claims that are being reported. There is always the possibility that this is literally just a trade war and nothing else; and the “espionage” angle is really just unsubstantiated FUD.

Ultimately we are never going to know the truth so the best we can do is enjoy our speculation for what it is.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

#50

Not related to this package delivery drama, but the way we are observing the live demolition of the world largest networking equipment maker and second largest smartphone maker (by number) in the name of trade war will never bring back the confidence in those who are flexing muscle. The illusion of the rule of law, free world, globalization and the reality of control is simply frightening, and worrisome.

we are observing the live demolition of the world largest networking equipment maker and second largest smartphone maker (by number) in the name of trade war

Can we explore this fascinating statement further? This the narrative of whom? If this is likely, will China jump in and rescue Huawei?

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