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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by chrischen »

ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

I've had issues with macbook pro keyboards for every model since the 2016 one, but I've never had an issue with Apple not doing an in-warranty repair. In fact, usually they swap out the battery for me during these repairs too.

Contrast this with every other PC manufacturer where they require me to ship the item to them, wait for weeks. Apple gives it back to me within a couple of days.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by FabHK »

wayneftw wrote: post #615
FabHK wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It most definitely did not use to be.

Apple's motto has always been "form/fashion/culture over function" and you can see that in many instances throughout their past. Aside what was mentioned in your other replies, I think the biggest piece of evidence is the fact that they stuck with their one-button mouse for such a long time even after multi-button mice became a very common third-party hardware purchase alongside a new Mac. Another commenter mentioned…

> Apple's motto has always been "form/fashion/culture over function"

That is untrue. You might get away with arguing that it's the case now to an extent, and you could've argued that with the famously dysfunctional hockey-puck-mouse that shipped with the first iMacs, but to adduce the one-button mouse as evidence for said hypothesis betrays your ignorance of UI research and Apple's good old Human Interface Guidelines.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by detaro »

chrischen wrote: post #671
ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

I've had issues with macbook pro keyboards for every model since the 2016 one, but I've never had an issue with Apple not doing an in-warranty repair. In fact, usually they swap out the battery for me during these repairs too. Contrast this with every other PC manufacturer where they require me to ship the item to them, wait for weeks. Apple gives it back to me within a couple of days.

A Lenovo (or Dell, and maybe also HP, haven't looked at their offerings recently) laptop in the price class of a Macbook Pro typically comes with on-site warranty support (and for cheaper business models it's typically an affordable upgrade), or you can bring or ship it to a local service partner and have them fix it and deal with the warranty claim.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by ballzoffury »

actuator wrote: post #666

So, I need a personal laptop and I think I will go for the 2013-2015 rMBP. I want to go for X1 Carbon but haven't had nice experience with Ubuntu on it. I looked at the 4 core i7 configurations and they have Geekbench score of 13k-14k. So, doesn't seem that bad compared to the new processors and should hold up on CPU front for three more years I guess. I had a question to people who use 15" MBPs. Since I am not able…

Oh no, I was looking to get an x1 carbon because of the supposedly great Linux support. What kind of problems where you experiencing? And was it the 14", or the extreme?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by actuator »

ianwalter wrote: post #667
actuator wrote: post #666

So, I need a personal laptop and I think I will go for the 2013-2015 rMBP. I want to go for X1 Carbon but haven't had nice experience with Ubuntu on it. I looked at the 4 core i7 configurations and they have Geekbench score of 13k-14k. So, doesn't seem that bad compared to the new processors and should hold up on CPU front for three more years I guess. I had a question to people who use 15" MBPs. Since I am not able…

I don’t think they are and prefer 15” now. I even can fit my 2017 15” in my old Incase bag that was made for the last generation of 13” MacBook Pros.

Ah. Thanks for the info. Newer 15" ones are thinner and smaller so that is possible. I will take my bag and try fitting the old 15" one. :)

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by stevenjohns »

ben7799 wrote: post #288
docker_up wrote: post #165

When in God's name will they get rid of TouchBar? I DESPISE IT. Why not add the function keys back and add the touch bar above it? I see that there's space above! Am I the only one that feels this way?

Not till Jony Ive leaves? I think this is the root of most of these Apple design faux pas... he goes back to the Steve Jobs Era and was definitely blessed. With Steve gone there is probably no one at the company who can actually say "This is the worst !@#$%^& thing ever!" like Steve Jobs liked to say. Tim Cook doesn't seem to be a product guy or something and trusts Ive too much. Ive's ideas were good back in the day…

> I gave it back after a month when I admitted I was wasting 40% of my work time chasing linux issues.

I feel like this isn't spoken about enough. Or that I'm doing something wrong which most people who say how their lives have changed for the better by switching to Dell+Ubuntu don't experience.

I really liked MacOS for development. It gave me a familiar Unix-like environment that didn't require me to screw around trying to fix trivial things over and over again. I didn't have to screw around with kernel updates or try to troubleshoot anything. I only ever needed to set things up once, I didn't have to worry that the next time I reboot I might lose configurations.

I've been using Elementary OS/Ubuntu on a Surface Book now for a while and dealing with it is ongoing frustration. At some point my top bar just disappeared and never came back. Trying to add any sort of modification that tries to make using the OS more intuitive leads to all sorts of unexpected issues.

I want to love GNU/Linux. I really do. But I can't even remotely understand how anyone could love it more than MacOS. GNU/Linux feels like it's always in Beta.

In truth, using GNU/Linux gives me a feeling of imposter syndrome. I feel like the reason why I can't stand it even though so many people love it isn't because the operating systems are bad, but because I'm just incompetent and don't know what I'm doing. It's frustrating.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by actuator »

ballzoffury wrote: post #675
actuator wrote: post #666

So, I need a personal laptop and I think I will go for the 2013-2015 rMBP. I want to go for X1 Carbon but haven't had nice experience with Ubuntu on it. I looked at the 4 core i7 configurations and they have Geekbench score of 13k-14k. So, doesn't seem that bad compared to the new processors and should hold up on CPU front for three more years I guess. I had a question to people who use 15" MBPs. Since I am not able…

Oh no, I was looking to get an x1 carbon because of the supposedly great Linux support. What kind of problems where you experiencing? And was it the 14", or the extreme?

This was the 2017 14" X1 Carbon(not the extreme one). Mostly battery issues, it was holding up very less on sleep and in use. I was using Ubuntu and Ubuntu actually certifies the hardware. The keyboard was just plain awesome though. I don't think you would find a better keyboard in the slim form factor.

Since this was an office one, I returned it and continued on my 2014 rMBP. It might have been fixed now btw. I will also try the newer X1s I can before finalizing on one.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by ahartmetz »

everyone wrote: post #268
TimTheTinker wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the introduction of Mac OS X, I've always thought of macOS in terms of a Venn diagram of two partially overlapping circles: (A) Operating systems that major desktop apps support (B) Developer-friendly operating systems (Unix/Linux at the core, default shell is bash or similar, etc.) Windows is in (A). Linux is in (B). But macOS is in the overlapping area between (A) and (B). It's the best of both worlds.

(B) Web developer friendly. I am a game dev. I have no need for Unix.

Also embedded and high-performance computing developer friendly. Other areas where Linux is the #1 OS. MacOS isn't as suitable there.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by pfranz »

computerex wrote: post #577
stoppergoo wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really just the MagSafe is the big difference they lost. Supposedly the keyboard sucks, why don’t they just fix it or go back to the previous iteration. Either way I think these are still the best notebooks you can buy. Ubuntu doesn’t even work right on my dell desktop - it never remembers dual monitor settings, even with Nvidia official drivers installed. When I open my MacBook Air I can just use it without waiting…

> Either way I think these are still the best notebooks you can buy. Five years ago you could make that statement and not have to think twice about it. However now there is too much competition. 1. Dell XPS 2. Matebook X Pro 3. Asus Zenbook Pro These are just 3 laptops off the top of my head that can compete with the latest and greatest Macbook Pro and come out arguably better. The keyboard, thermal issues and touchb…

I last looked a few years ago and was disappointed at the non-Apple selection (because I was disappointed at the Apple selection, too).

I was looking at 13" models. Comparable PCs were very similar in form factor--non-replacable RAM and a 1tb SSD option (either included or added later myself) took the cost very close to each other. I know Apple laptops have a decent resale value and I'm familiar and comfortable with Apple's warranty and service (others might be great, too, but that'd be an unknown for me).

I needed a webcam for work and having it by the keyboard was a no-go. I know this recently changed and I was very disappointed a brand new Macbook Pro has the exact same camera a 2009 model had. They all had a similarly poor situation with USB-C, too. Either none, 1 for charging and like 1 USB-A port, or only 2-4 USB-C ports.

Looking at the failure rates and support for each brand, a trackpad and keyboard that wasn't as good, having to use Linux (I wasn't planning on using Windows), none of them looked any better.

I wish there was better competition (at least for what I'm looking for) and I wish Apple would fix the things everyone liked about the 2015. Not all of it is thinness...I miss a charging light and battery meter, give better non-touchbar options (I'd like touch ID and more USB-C ports), upgrade your camera for Pete's sake.

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