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Post by klodolph »

rayiner wrote: post #248
klodolph wrote: post #48

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Are you sure you wouldn't rather have the 2008-2012 body? It's a bit easier to upgrade or repair. (At work I have a 15" MBP with the 2013 body. I'm eligible for upgrading it, but what would I replace it with that could possibly be better? Literally the only downside that I care about is the fact that most conference rooms at work no longer have magsafes lying around.)

The big improvement in the 2012-2015 body is that getting rid of upgradability and the optical drive allowed putting in a huge battery (basically the max allowed on airplanes). It also cut the weight by more than a pound.

Most of that is the optical drive, right?

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Post by X-Istence »

hayksaakian wrote: post #122

To anyone who has used the apple keyboard service program: https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-m... How long does it take to get your macbook back? I'm having this issue and I want to figure out how long i'm going to be out of commission for

~24 hours is what it took for my replacement.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by kylec »

nordsieck wrote: post #277
nothis wrote: post #36

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I never got why, if they really want the touch bar, they don't do both . F-keys and touch bar. I kinda would have welcomed this because the "fn" key is a horrible presence on any laptop keyboard anyway and I'd happily would have seen them delegate screen brightness and audio to the touch bar as a separate input.

> I never got why, if they really want the touch bar, they don't do both. F-keys and touch bar. That would consume room for the touchpad.

Not a big deal, it’s too big anyway, especially on the 15”

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Post by AtHeartEngineer »

swozey wrote: post #14

These used to excite me because I've desperately needed 32gb and faster procs and used to upgrade every 2-3 years but now I just yawn at MBP releases. I'm so unexcited by everything about this form factor other than the fact that it has OSX. I'm guessing I'll be on my 2016 until I finally bite the bullet and quit using OSX if they don't make a more compelling package to spend my $3k on in the next few years. I don't…

Agreed, the keyboard is awful. I just want a decent/good keyboard, an HDMI port, and just 1 USB A port, I'll definitely take 0.5mm thicker for those. Well, at least they kept the headphone jack...

32gb ram and an 8 core processor is awesome, but all the downsides have turned me away from getting the next gen unless they fix those things.

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Post by PascLeRasc »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #279
rayiner wrote: post #241

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Windows is crap. The UI is totally schizoid, with different apps using different toolkits. Office for Mac integrates more cleanly into the look and feel of the rest of the OS than Office for Windows. There are two different settings apps with different features. Basic things are poorly designed. E.g. if you put the task bar in autohide mode, it routinely gets “stuck” because some notification is keeping it from hidin…

Of course, electron is bringing this great fragmented ui experience to macOS

I'm curious which applications made you come to this conclusion. I've heard a lot of Electron criticism, and most of it is very valid, but I think Slack, Spotify, and Atom very much fit into the macOS UI environment.

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Post by everyone »

rayiner wrote: post #241
everyone wrote: post #156

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Lots of people on HN call the Mac OS 'great' ... But why? What is so great about it that is not similar on Linux or Windows? When ye say "great", I think ye mean "the one I am familiar with".

Windows is crap. The UI is totally schizoid, with different apps using different toolkits. Office for Mac integrates more cleanly into the look and feel of the rest of the OS than Office for Windows. There are two different settings apps with different features. Basic things are poorly designed. E.g. if you put the task bar in autohide mode, it routinely gets “stuck” because some notification is keeping it from hidin…

Spoken like someone who does not know Windows. If you buy a machine that comes with windows, and just use it off the shelf it, is a total mess as you say. (As well as probably loaded with crapware) If you know Windows youre gonna install LTSC on that machine and have a nice productive time. I am curious, do you buy a mac and just use it for work without any setup, off the shelf? If so that is a point in its favour I guess.

Also as someone who only knows Linux and Windows and is not familiar with Mac OS, anytime I have to use it, it is a baffling experience, common things are done with gestures and keyboard shortcuts that one would never be able to intuit or discover. I find some random completely new Linux windows manager that Ive never seen before much easier to get to grips with than Mac OS.

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Post by aczerepinski »

docker_up wrote: post #176
endymi0n wrote: post #111

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I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh), I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_, battery lifetime isn't good, the keyboard is prone to mistyping and double clicks, the screen doesn't get bright enough sometimes, I can't get any higher spec har…

I recently was forced to upgrade by 2015 laptop at work because the battery life was finally short enough that I couldn't stand it. I hate dongles. The 2015 Macbook will stand as their last best laptop. Nothing about the 2018 laptop is better, it's only worse. I don't understand why they don't see this. There should really be a huge multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit for their keyboards and fixability to wake…

I upgraded from 2015 to 2018 at work recently and then went back to IT and asked if I could change my mind and trade back. The 2015 is nicer.

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Post by ben7799 »

docker_up wrote: post #165

When in God's name will they get rid of TouchBar? I DESPISE IT. Why not add the function keys back and add the touch bar above it? I see that there's space above! Am I the only one that feels this way?

Not till Jony Ive leaves?

I think this is the root of most of these Apple design faux pas... he goes back to the Steve Jobs Era and was definitely blessed.

With Steve gone there is probably no one at the company who can actually say "This is the worst !@#$%^& thing ever!" like Steve Jobs liked to say. Tim Cook doesn't seem to be a product guy or something and trusts Ive too much.

Ive's ideas were good back in the day when everything was huge and clunky but he seems to look at everything and try to think it is still not sleek & minimalist enough and he's just gone too far at some point. It's a wonder we still have keyboards at all on these laptops!

I have a 2018 MBP and I am lucky.. I use it 99% of the time plugged in at my desk at work. They provided us all with $400 OWC USB-3 docks so I mostly dodge the dongle thing. I have some cheaper dongles at home that live permanently on my desk. So I also don't run into too many touchbar issues since I rarely do anything serious on the internal keyboard.

For some reason my usage I don't have battery issues. A lot of my co-workers do. Ad blockers don't help with Docker & Eclipse hogging CPU.

I wish for 32GB of ram every day, we got our 2018 laptops Linux is much better, I tried a pilot System 76 laptop our IT let us try. It was great for development, hugely better than the Mac. But it was horrible as a laptop, horrible for going to meetings. Drained the battery in 1 hour if you had to do a WebEx. Constant WiFi & VPN issues. Having to reboot the machine sometimes to clear up issues with external displays and internal displays. I gave it back after a month when I admitted I was wasting 40% of my work time chasing linux issues.

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Post by rasfincher »

I've just about given up on Apple. My spacebar on my 2017 15" MacBook Pro started going bad after only three months. Bundle that with the pointless Touchbar and the arrow key layout and I just can't see myself using another until they sort all of that out.

I recently switched to a Dell XPS 15 9560 running Pop!_OS. Talk about a simple setup for a Linux system running a HiDPI screen. Before that, I was running Manjaro with i3 and it was fairly easy to set up but took a bit more fiddling.

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Post by dijit »

everyone wrote: post #268
TimTheTinker wrote: post #180

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Since the introduction of Mac OS X, I've always thought of macOS in terms of a Venn diagram of two partially overlapping circles: (A) Operating systems that major desktop apps support (B) Developer-friendly operating systems (Unix/Linux at the core, default shell is bash or similar, etc.) Windows is in (A). Linux is in (B). But macOS is in the overlapping area between (A) and (B). It's the best of both worlds.

(B) Web developer friendly. I am a game dev. I have no need for Unix.

You're in a bit of a niche though; gamedev is heavily slanted towards the microsoft ecosystem, and that might be changing depending on how Stadia is adopted.

Source: myself, a gamedev for AAA titles.

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