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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by ezconnect »

JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #385
timkly wrote: post #321

As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me. Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever buy anything again Google or US related again in terms of tech. This si no longer a China vs US issue, it's the US vs the world.

Out of interest, what phone can you get that is not US or google related?

Samsung. Google services is just there because I think its required on their contract. All other services offered by Google is duplicated with their own version and variation.

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Post by ezconnect »

mantas wrote: post #421
glenndebacker wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can easily find examples where you can replace China with the US. And now with the current American leadership I can't say personally that I trust the US more than China at this point.

Would you prefer daily life like in US or China?

Why would you live on those countries? US taxation law implementation is like the Chinese suppression of your other freedom.

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Post by tooltalk »

PixyMisa wrote: post #349
timkly wrote: post #321

As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me. Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever buy anything again Google or US related again in terms of tech. This si no longer a China vs US issue, it's the US vs the world.

It's a China vs. the world issue. China has been spying on everyone, for years. Political, military, commercial, makes no difference.

Yep, and China has been playing the same game with its neighboring countries for a while. Remember how China responded when South Korea brought THAAD for missile defense?

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Post by onetimemanytime »

ghobs91 wrote: post #209

To all those stating that Huawei should just make their own OS, it's nowhere near that simple. Forking Android is the easy part, building an app ecosystem that thousands of developers across the globe actively partake in is incredibly difficult. Microsoft couldn't even pull it off with Windows Phone. I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other mar…

what if all Chinese companies create an appstore? Might have to do it. These things, and I'm not passing judgment on them, are simply pushing the Chinese to be self-sufficient on everything. Stroke of the Trump pen and X chip for your hardware is denied.

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Post by windexh8er »

dsl wrote: post #386
yding wrote: post #279

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By LE capable firmware you mean that the FBI had a backdoor to eavesdrop? Wow.

No, not at all. It was an extension of lawful wiretaps in to the digital age. CALEA required that manufacturers add the ability for lawful intercept to be done on their equipment by the providers that purchased them. Law enforcement still had to go to a judge, get a court order, and take it to the ISP. The ISP could then configure the devices to siphon off traffic from a single customer to a collection device. The sa…

While your statement on CALEA is true it also isn't the correct history. What CALEA put in place was designed for lawful intercept but we also know there were programs in use going against said law [0].

Remember the context of my conversation was 2010-2011 which was pre-Snowden. It's likely state, local and national agencies have less of an interest, today, at route/switch infrastructure simply because of the post-Snowden crypto push.

[0] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mvp8ga/the-fbi-wants-to-w...

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Post by windexh8er »

rayiner wrote: post #391
windexh8er wrote: post #295

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Yes indeed [0]. [0] https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/10000/10008/fe...

Lawful Intercept is not a backdoor: > The surveillance is performed through the use of wiretaps on traditional telecommunications and Internet services in voice, data, and multiservice networks. The LEA delivers a request for a wiretap to the target's service provider, who is responsible for intercepting data communication to and from the individual. The service provider uses the target's IP address or session to det…

Lawful intercept isn't itself a backdoor, but it did provide one that was exposed via Snowden. In this case I'll call a spade a spade: many lawful intercept tools were used as backdoors, or overreach of legal authority. Again, keep in mind the context of my original comment: the years 2010-2011 which was pre-Snowden. The FBI may have stepped in with a heavy hand for many reasons but those reasons may have included inclusion of another large ISP in programs like PRISM.

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Post by cromwellian »

ksec wrote: post #364
avocado4 wrote: post #268

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This doesn't show they are a leading premium smartphone manufacturer. This says they are a 2nd largest smartphone manufacturer. Leading premium manufacturer means largest volume of premium smartphones sold. Huawei doesn't sell a lot of P30 (although I agree it's a premium device).

This. And I am surprised at the amount of downvote and I quote "an assertion that is a fairly well-known fact."

Where’s your citation on P30 sales figures? If apple doesn’t sell as many iPhone X’s as P30s in China does that make Apple not a premium manufacturer if most of their sales are lower end?

https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-p30-series-single-day-s...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/01/huawei-ahead-of-apple-in-q1-...

In 2018, they shipped 16 million P20s in 9 months. And they shipped 100,000 in a single day which could translate to 3 million units a month or 27 million in 9 months, but even if they ship 20 million in 9 months which is 25% more than the P20 you can’t wave you hands and act like no one is buying these phones.

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Post by cromwellian »

ksec wrote: post #161
unixhero wrote: post #153

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He is right.

Source? And how do you define premium? The sentence implies leading as in market shares, and not technological.

Huawei p30 leads Apple on camera quality by far. It has premium build quality and battery life.

In market share they lead Apple in China, and they ship more units.

Trying to act like they’re a low end bit player is ludicrous. They’re the Samsung of China now, and on track to overtake Samsung globally.

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Post by Fnoord »

yding wrote: post #283
Fnoord wrote: post #133

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You can install F-Droid or microG if you prefer; you don't need to use GApps. Apart from that the other options you have, are (in random order): /e/, PureOS, KaiOS, SailfishOS, Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Mobile, postmarketOS, among others.

I looked at MicroG and saw this almost immediately: This is alpha-grade software and not yet ready for production use. Do not use if you don't know what you're doing. That's not going to be good enough for Huawei. Similarly, all of those alternative OSes aren't going to work if they're not binary, and more importantly API compatible with Android + GMS.

> That's not going to be good enough for Huawei.

The question is rather: given that it is FOSS is it good enough for them to extend the functionality on the short-term?

> Similarly, all of those alternative OSes aren't going to work if they're not binary, and more importantly API compatible with Android + GMS.

KaiOS has some compatibility (by design not fully compatible).

SailfishOS has an Android emulator. Other OSes could also use one such as Anbox.

/e/ and LineageOS are binary and API compatible with Android.

GMS is an issue, but given that Google is under a magnifying glass concerning monopoly position related to Android in EU I have some hope that alternatives for GMS (or FOSS implementations) could happen.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

roca wrote: post #296
techntoke wrote: post #88

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American-manufactured devices are probably equally as infiltrated by American foreign intelligence services. Hence why they don't just use a standard Linux distro with open source firmware.

Even if it was true that American phone companies are infiltrated by American intelligence services, you have to ask yourself which government you trust more. As a New Zealander, I think there are very good reasons to trust the US government a lot more. Heck, if you look at where Chinese officials try to stash their money and their families, it's clear they trust Western countries a lot more too.

> As a New Zealander, I think there are very good reasons to trust the US government a lot more.

As an EU citizen, idk, China seems more locally focused, the U.S reaches everywhere. Speaking of NZ, the whole Kim Dotcom situation makes it look like a U.S.vassal state, honestly.

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