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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #40
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think much of that hardware is rebranded OEM anyways, which should be safe. It also isn’t clear China would blame google for this, or if its any worse than how google has pissed the Chinese government off in the past. Maybe they’ll just block google websites...wait no, they’ve done that already.

Surely it doesn't matter if China blame Google. USA have gone after Huawei based on Huawei being Chinese, so the response of China to stop manufacturing stuff for USA companies would seem reasonable, no? Is this a "force people to buy USA manufactured goods; but blame it on the Chinese" attempt?

People used to blame Toyota for Japan actions, but that kind of sentiment lasts for 5 minutes, and anyways, those Toyotas were mostly made in China anyways.

Likewise, Google has almost zero consumer exposure in China, so all they can do is interrupt their ability to give Chinese companies money for goods and services, which seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The Chinese government doesn't want the west to grow new supply chains and find new manufacturing centers just because of one trade war, it wouldn't be according to their goals.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by Fnoord »

yding wrote: post #41
lone_haxx0r wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lineage OS

Lineage isn't good enough on its own. 99% of Lineage OS users also install google play services and the google play store. You need to have a replacement for all of the closed source Google APIs for app developers to use. It's a much bigger undertaking than just recompiling the base OS from source.

You can install F-Droid or microG if you prefer; you don't need to use GApps.

Apart from that the other options you have, are (in random order): /e/, PureOS, KaiOS, SailfishOS, Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Mobile, postmarketOS, among others.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by chvid »

I always wondered what would it take for a company to develop an alternative mobile operating system?

To me the combination of Android and iOS always was the perfect mold around the business of high-end mobile phones.

Android is given away for free; but to make a truly great end user experience hardware and software needs to be integrated. Like it is for iOS. But that requires an enourmous investment; and there is no "natural" piecemeal way to grow there as your business always would be competing with peers that use the "free" platform.

But this gives Huawei, a massive and capable engineering company, no choice but to build an alternative.

This is an extreme situation; but hopefully there will come some true innovation out of it.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by stoppergoo »

chvid wrote: post #134

I always wondered what would it take for a company to develop an alternative mobile operating system? To me the combination of Android and iOS always was the perfect mold around the business of high-end mobile phones. Android is given away for free; but to make a truly great end user experience hardware and software needs to be integrated. Like it is for iOS. But that requires an enourmous investment; and there is no…

At this point I speculate a lot are on iOS to avoid android, and vice versa. Any offering that hwei makes will surely not move the needle from either camp, but it’s good to see some new competition

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by OrgNet »

wallmountedtv wrote: post #44
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #25

Huawei already saw this coming; at least that's what the company signaled last march when they announced they have a 'backup OS': https://www.engadget.com/amp/2019/03/14/huawei-confirms-os/

A better source thats not google amp https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3001685/huawei-co...

HN really should auto-convert AMP links because many HN users still post those.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by chvid »

chvid wrote: post #134

I always wondered what would it take for a company to develop an alternative mobile operating system? To me the combination of Android and iOS always was the perfect mold around the business of high-end mobile phones. Android is given away for free; but to make a truly great end user experience hardware and software needs to be integrated. Like it is for iOS. But that requires an enourmous investment; and there is no…

But it is also worth noting the ZTE story which ended with ZTE paying a 1B "fine":

https://www.androidauthority.com/zte-reportedly-will-pay-us-...

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by AsyncAwait »

This was expected. Huawei now presents a serious competition to the likes of Apple, so the 'free market' in the U.S. responds by...shutting down the competition.

Now I know the counterargument is about Chinese protectionism, but it is the U.S. who has always championed free market capitalism and led interventions in order to forcibly open other markets to its exports.

As this shows however, this belief in the free market is anything but principled.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by mrtksn »

chvid wrote: post #134

I always wondered what would it take for a company to develop an alternative mobile operating system? To me the combination of Android and iOS always was the perfect mold around the business of high-end mobile phones. Android is given away for free; but to make a truly great end user experience hardware and software needs to be integrated. Like it is for iOS. But that requires an enourmous investment; and there is no…

Microsoft tried hard to have a mobile operating system, there were others too but the problem is that nobody cares for the operating system if there is no viable ecosystem around it.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by Mikeb85 »

madez wrote: post #118
yding wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lineage isn't good enough on its own. 99% of Lineage OS users also install google play services and the google play store. You need to have a replacement for all of the closed source Google APIs for app developers to use. It's a much bigger undertaking than just recompiling the base OS from source.

> Lineage isn't good enough on its own. It's good for me¹. I want a device that does no phone home to its mothership outside my control. This requires Googles Services not to be installed. I don't doubt that many nevertheless still use Googles Services. ¹ compared to Googles Android. I'm still desperately waiting for a device with mainline Linux support without blobs.

> without blobs

Will never happen.

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