You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook serving you ads? Give me a break.
Google suspends some business with Huawei
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#122If this also revokes the GMS agreements, it will have a much larger impact than the updates part. A whole lot of things on Android are dependant on the GMS, such as push notifications for certain apps, cloud storage of user data, and a lot more. Let's see where the it all ends up, but this may turn to be an enormous crippling move for Android on Huawei/Honor devices.
considering Huawei, xiaomi, BBK, lenorola control majority of market everywhere outside US one would say it's quite opposite, they just need to convince Samsung to join them and Google with their Google play services it's past and they can keep their small market with their pixel phones thinking about their importance and that devs charging 30% it's moral
Samsung is extremely unlikely to join with the Chinese brands strangling them right now.
And it would be way worse with Huawei/Xiaomi & co. for devs, considering how those companies update the software on their phones...
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#123At what point does China just develop its own mobile OS? There seems value in just taking the reigns, and making whatever you create open-source, so that ZTE and all the other Chinese manufacturers can use it as well. Its certainly a major blow to the value of Huawei phones.
Even if they develop a mobile OS, will it be the quality and usefulness of Google services? Android is just linux + google services. Without those, it's hard to make the sell to western audiences, at least. Google Maps is a masterpiece of engineering and it's hard to imagine that Huawei will be able to compete, near term. If I'm reading the situation right, this might mean the end of Huawei in the western phone marke…
You can’t really use Google Maps in China. Even over VPN it’s outdated and often displays the wrong location due to the GPS scrambling that the government enforces on maps.
Baidu Maps is very good though, I would even say on par with Google Maps and better in some areas. It does however have more obvious ads which is annoying.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your phone was manufactured by a front for a foreign intelligence service. It was never secure.
American-manufactured devices are probably equally as infiltrated by American foreign intelligence services. Hence why they don't just use a standard Linux distro with open source firmware.
US government spying has nothing to do with why manufacturers don’t “just use a standard Linux distro with open source firmware”. There are no GNU/Linux (as in, with the GNU userland) distros that work well enough on phones to compete with Android and open source firmware removes some competitive advantage around things like image processing.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Will I, as a European customer of Huawei, still get app updates from Google Play and push messages via firebase cloud messaging? Without the Google framework my phone is a brick...
WhatsApp and signal work fine without GCM/FCM, dunno about other apps but WhatsApp it's international standard so you are fine you can get updates through their own app store AppGallery, but your paid apps are paid through Google, so don't expect them in order store, tying your money to Google ecosystem was bad idea in first place
>WhatsApp and signal work fine without GCM/FCM, dunno about other apps but WhatsApp it's international standard so you are fine
Probably not after Android 8.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Will I, as a European customer of Huawei, still get app updates from Google Play and push messages via firebase cloud messaging? Without the Google framework my phone is a brick...
WhatsApp and signal work fine without GCM/FCM, dunno about other apps but WhatsApp it's international standard so you are fine you can get updates through their own app store AppGallery, but your paid apps are paid through Google, so don't expect them in order store, tying your money to Google ecosystem was bad idea in first place
>WhatsApp and signal work fine without GCM/FCM, dunno about other apps but WhatsApp it's international standard so you are fine
Probably not after Android 8.
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#127I guess this is a thinly veiled attack on China, but I'm a bit confused why there's a feud between the US and China in the first place. Perhaps my ignorance is down to being British and a bit out of the loop, but could someone give a rough outline on what the underlying motives for this are?
Motives: * Trump has been on at China for a long time. * US establishment growing increasingly worried about the sophistication of Chinese tech and are viewing Huawei as a strategic threat. Especially since the latest generation of Chinese telecoms tech has arguably leapfrogged western offerings. Free trade works brilliantly until you stop being the top dog. * NSA doesn't the idea of Chinese being able to use their t…
BBC Click covered the issue https://youtu.be/yCzNHi9TBCQ?t=690 onwards. They say Huawei claim to be 18months ahead [12m35] of everyone with 5G, and their interview with UK's intelligence advisor [16m20 onwards] suggested that there's not really a security problem.
They do talk about [17m04+] the possibility of the network being shutdown and the fallout of that, and have a dramatisation.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huawei really needs to give everyone bootloader unlocks so that people can move to LineageOS in the meantime.
They will probably lose support from mobile carriers at that point.
why would carriers care about bootloader unlocks? it's different from a carrier lock, which prevents a phone from being used on another carrier.
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#129Huawei already saw this coming; at least that's what the company signaled last march when they announced they have a 'backup OS': https://www.engadget.com/amp/2019/03/14/huawei-confirms-os/
A better source thats not google amp https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3001685/huawei-co...
From comment by StudentStuff, hidden below:
> SCMP is owned by Alibaba, they're far from impartial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post .
Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei
#130You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook serving you ads? Give me a break.
Well, from his perspective, as long as he's never going to China, do those camps matter?