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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me.

Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever buy anything again Google or US related again in terms of tech.

This si no longer a China vs US issue, it's the US vs the world.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Why is China so likely to bug the phone but the NSA isn't?

Even if the NSA backdoors phones, you have to consider which government you trust more. The US government isn't great but China's is far worse.

I'm far more likely to be a 5eyes whistleblower or activist than Chinese whistleblower.

Assume most people commenting here are in the same boat.

Pretty clear cut.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Much more likely is a SaaS to manage distribution to various app stores from one interface.

Hmm, interesting. Does one already exist?

Yes, since each of Chinese android vendors(Huawei/Xiaomi/Oppo/Oneplus...) has their own "Google Play" alternative in China. Their are plenty of tools for uploading apps to each of these markets.

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One thing to note is that the whole Chinese Android ecosystem currently works without those Google services or Play Store. It's still challenging to push system without Google globally, but at least they have experience with that locally in China.

How do they replicate the functionality that Google Services provide? And could they bring that functionality to the rest of the world?

It's just very different.

For example, there are a ton of SDKs that provide push notifications, such as Baidu, Tencent, etc...

There are also "super apps", such as WeChat, that offer their own API surface and can be preferable to some app devs.

Then there are some things, such as "advertising id", which none of these SDKs provide (at the moment?).

So yeah, the answer is somewhere between "it's complicated" and "no one".

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #321

As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me. Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever buy anything again Google or US related again in terms of tech. This si no longer a China vs US issue, it's the US vs the world.

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Not if that app depends on Google Play Services, which most developers targeting "Android" take for granted.

Perhaps Huawei will assist in the development of microg ( https://microg.org/ ) - a free (as in freedom) drop-in replacement for Google Play Services.

Huawei will never do that, the very concept of free or open-source is absolutely alien to them. But they could develop some kind of their own Play Services, compatible with Google.

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post #288

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One thing to note is that the whole Chinese Android ecosystem currently works without those Google services or Play Store. It's still challenging to push system without Google globally, but at least they have experience with that locally in China.

How do they replicate the functionality that Google Services provide? And could they bring that functionality to the rest of the world?

They use massive mega apps e.g. WeChat

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #303

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Well they already have their own processors so I imagine that won't be a huge loss.

What about the ARM license? Sure they design their own processors but that doesn't help if ARM doesn't let them use the instruction set.

Arm Holdings is a British company and United Kingdom' relations with Huawei is complicated matter.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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How is this going to work exactly?

The world supply chains are supposed to avoid Huawei in the coming months / years, local politicians will be painfully explaining their citizens that Huawei is a security risk (we will need to take their word for it, no evidence is being provided) and once the US government (is this just Trump now, is the US a dictatorship?) changes its mind, then the whole world is going to start using Huawei again?

This is not going to fly.

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What most people forget is that in a war the other party shoots back. It may take some time but it will happen and sometimes when you do not expect it. I think that Trump's move with banning Huawei is bad for the US in the mid and long run.

sometimes whoever shots first wins

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