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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by gmiller123456 »

pugworthy wrote: post #133
johnwheeler wrote: post #125

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You keep repeating this in your comments like a broken record. What do _you_ care that people care? People obviously do care or they wouldn’t be voicing on HN? Why does that bother you so much?

Because I believe many of the responses are irrational, and not expressing what the actual underlying feelings are of the commenters. People are upset that there is a reduction in the openness of things, which I understand. People are upset that their personal projects and home hacks will stop working, which I understand. They should just state that though, and not the "That's it I'm never buying Nest again" type of…

>If you want to hack your home, there are many open source alternatives.

Nest used to be one of those alternatives, and everyone who bought into it is screwed. I did not buy into it because I figured it would happen. It does not make it any less horrible that it did happen.

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Post by pms »

Marsymars wrote: post #531
amolo wrote: post #528

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Why though? Becauss Google uses them?

No, I've been against billboards long before Google started using them. IMO they're visual blight that don't serve any positive function.

What about ads in general?

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Post by Marsymars »

pms wrote: post #572
Marsymars wrote: post #531

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No, I've been against billboards long before Google started using them. IMO they're visual blight that don't serve any positive function.

What about ads in general?

What about them? Other than ads in public spaces, which I think shouldn't be permitted, they're avoidable.

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Post by teekert »

hanklazard wrote: post #444
teekert wrote: post #294

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Woah, I was really considering a Nest (I use Hass.io for many things, lighting at sunset, reading energy meter and my home energy usage), I'm very glad I didn't purchase one yet. One more reason to go for a completely-in-my-lan solution.

I got a Venstar recently. Not as slick but has a local API and has worked well with hassio.

Looking at them now, thanx for the tip!

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Post by johannes1234321 »

loudmax wrote: post #430
sokoloff wrote: post #395

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You can build alongside someone else's long-term demonstrated strategy (developing Microsoft desktop software) much more securely than developing a feature in someone else's closed garden. You can also spread your footprint. As just an easy-to-discuss example, Facebook and Twitter develop for many different someone else's platforms, by supporting multiple browsers [who in turn support multiple OSs], multiple mobile p…

Developing Microsoft desktop software you're still building on someone else's platform and hoping they don't decide to alter the terms of the deal. Microsoft may be more forward thinking than Google, but companies change.

A difference is that Microsoft (currently) can't render your install base useless. If Microsoft drops Windows (or core Windows APIs) your existing users can stil use your software. With Google or Twitter shutting down "cloud"/web APIs all is gone.

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Post by cpeterso »

zimablue wrote: post #397
TeMPOraL wrote: post #361

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Here's a note, straight from quotes file, I took around the original Twitter fiasco, and have since reposted or mentioned on HN a few times on occasions similar to this: * Sovereign from Mass Effect on using someone else's technology: "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays, our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic e…

[Spoiler alert, Hyperion series] That sounds totally lifted from the Hyperion series, but maybe the idea is earlier than that, does anyone have a proposed source for that idea that's earlier than 1989?

[light spoilers]

In Arthur C. Clarke's "2001: A Space Odyssey", the alient Monoliths influenced human evolution and later decided to terminate the human race instead.

In Fredrick Pohl's Heechee series, humans stumble upon abandoned alien technology and use it without understanding how it works.

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Post by Spivak »

chinhodado wrote: post #499
tmefq wrote: post #478

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That's never, ever happened to me.

It happens to me all the time. I used to use Gmail API to send mail (personal hobby app, to my own account). Every now and then Gmail would randomly refuse to authenticate through the API because of unsafe or suspicious access or some other BS. Then I would need to jump through some hoops (log in manually though browser, toggle on/off the "allow less secure app" setting, the disable unlock captcha setting, and it wou…

I don't think depreciating the use of "Give your Google account password to $app" or "Give $app a fixed never expiring key that's as good as your password" unless you explicitly enable it is particularly user hostile.

If you used the Gmail API https://developers.google.com/gmail/api and client that supports OAuth instead of SMTP with username/password you wouldn't really run into this problem.

Yeah it kind of sucks for hobbyists because it's not as simple as sending an SMTP email but that's more to do with the lack of good tooling than something fundamental.

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Post by afterburner »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #361
dotBen wrote: post #29

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Yup, they just did a Twitter. I lived through the Twitter ecosystem collapse and now I'm a VC I worry about investing in startups that are built on any large ecosystem where there isn't an alignment of clear economic interest. Google of all people doing this just made it tougher for everyone else to maintain confidence in large vendor platforms.

Here's a note, straight from quotes file, I took around the original Twitter fiasco, and have since reposted or mentioned on HN a few times on occasions similar to this: * Sovereign from Mass Effect on using someone else's technology: "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays, our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic e…

> but it's a lesson people have to learn and relearn repeatedly

Money now (gambling investors?), worry later.

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Post by takeda »

FerretFred wrote: post #481
telltruth wrote: post #305

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At Google, no one wants to work on existing things. You must create new product/feature to get promoted. Then you move on and thing gets shutdown. This is direct consequences of their internal incentive structure.

The big problem here is that there are a lot of people that have spent a lot of money in buying quality hardware that isn't just for leisure, it's for protection. I'll cite my 4 Nest Protects and an outdoor camera as an example. If somehow they get "sunsetted" due to some Google whim, fad or Because They Can, then I'm going to be pretty p*ssed to say the least. Based on past experience I don't trust Google to act in…

News flash, it will.

All gadgets that are internet connected will stop working sooner or later, I guess with Google it is sooner.

This and privacy concerns is the reason I'm abiding anything IoT. Why should I purchase something that I can't own.

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