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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by icebraining »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #381
conradfr wrote: post #350

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Search is increasingly worthless for certain terms. They are things I can't find anymore even with refining the search query. Basically it's good for anything geo or related but everything else is getting worse.

I guess not all search is profitable, perhaps there gradually "optimising" on financially profitable search, so only crawling sites that relates to content for users that bring then in money, only returning SERP items that bring in money? Obviously they need their search to be broadly useful too, but many searches probably have no financial benefit for them??

It can't be for lack of crawling - my little ad-free forum which hasn't seen more than a couple concurrent users for years is crawled daily by Googlebot.

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Post by Klathmon »

kristianc wrote: post #408
gergles wrote: post #22

> I’m a Works with Nest developer. Will I be able to access and control Nest devices moving forward? > No. The Actions on Google Smart Home platform does not provide open API access to Nest devices, so it cannot be used to access and control Nest devices. Instead, managing and controlling Google Home, Nest, and thousands of third-party smart home devices is done through the Google Home app and the Google Assistant. W…

> Wow, just wow. The entire non-Google Nest ecosystem evaporates overnight. Has it really, or does it simply mean that access is going to be through Google’s API going forward? It doesn’t seem super clear, but I can see why Google wouldn’t want to maintain two separate APIs.

From what I can see so far, there isn't any way to replicate 90% of the functionality through the assistant APIs, and even their FAQ and messaging seems to be reinforcing that they won't be adding it.

For example, you can't grab images from a camera through the assistant API, you can't get notification of a doorbell ring, you can't get notified when one of the devices detects a person.

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Post by djsumdog »

palebluedot wrote: post #33

This seems to include all of us using them in open-source "hobbyist" environments, like Home Assistant and Node-Red. I'm quite frustrated by this; I'll never buy another Nest product again, and I now regret my purchase of the Nest Thermostat. All the rest of my IoT stuff is either open-source hardware/software, or at the least local-only with known protocol interfaces. This was the one exception I made for IoT "cloud…

Are there any good alternatives that let you self host a server send don't send your data to someone else? All I've found are some plans from Spark. It doesn't look too difficult to make, just wondering if there were any other kit projects out there.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

nikbackm wrote: post #379
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #317

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I heard that’s how PowerShell came in existence. Nobody wanted to improve conhost.

It's not really possible to substantially improve either conhost or cmd due to backwards compatibility considerations. The risk of breaking something for someone is just too high.

And some people dont realize the amount of work Microsoft puts into backwards compatibility. Just look at articles describing the leaked Windows source they describe Microsoft putting in code to path third party Windows software to make sure it still works.

This is also why Wine struggles from version / config to version / config. They cant account for every edge case the way Microsoft does / has. Microsoft by comparison has unlimited resources while Wine is just volunteers who can only test so much software.

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Post by Fnoord »

tiredyam wrote: post #365
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #356

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sorry, I thought I was clear in suggesting it as a law - although realistically in a lot of EU countries you could make the case and get it returned. For example I'm in Denmark and we have a consumer ombudsmand were you can make complaints about violations of your rights as a consumer https://www.consumerombudsman.dk/about-us/ (it talks about marketing but I the Nest was marketed to have functionality it no longer ha…

This law would end up hurting the upstarts. Alternatives should be made and the consumer should be picking winners with their dollar.

Yeah, it would end up hurting the upstarts, but the lack of this law hurts customers and hurts business on the long term because consumer trust evaporates.

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Post by qubex »

I went through the elaborate motions of setting up HomeBridge to make my pre-HomeKit Nest ecosystem inter operate with my Apple devices. Now they’ve gone and trashed it. I guess I’ll just replace all their devices and Google can go to hell.

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Post by mruts »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #387
DiabloD3 wrote: post #212

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I've been seeing things like this in TJ Maxx lately. I don't know if anyone at TJ Maxx even understands that these are not items they can sell, as they don't work anymore. I think they think they're just fancy watches.

They know. They will get a fraction returned. So, they still profit. Big companies like that need fines big enough to risk closing them down for doing stuff like this. No reason for them to care otherwise.

How do you know? Do you work at a TJ Maxx?

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Post by CaptainZapp »

makomk wrote: post #399
CaptainZapp wrote: post #284

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which the app that harvested data for Cambridge Analytica had This is just part of the picture and almost revisionist in its briefness. Sure, they had "permission" from the user, which took that "personality-test" to harvest their data. Who sure as shit did not agree to have their data harvested were the friends of those who took the test and whoms data was harvested and resold with applomb and abandon. Leaving this…

The thing is, that's clearly not what most people actually object to about Cambridge Analytica. I mean, the same is even more true of Obama's 2012 campaign, which went so far as to harvest their supporters' friends' posting activity to assess how best to get those friends to vote Obama, and yet nearly all of the people who loudly decried Cambridge Analytica used this same bogus consent argument to justify why the Oba…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

dragonwriter wrote: post #319
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #317

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I heard that’s how PowerShell came in existence. Nobody wanted to improve conhost.

> I heard that’s how PowerShell came in existence. Nobody wanted to improve conhost. PowerShell still relies on conhost. Do you mean PowerShell ISE instead of plain PowerShell or do you mean cmd.exe instead of conhost?

You're right, cmd.exe not conhost.

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Post by loudmax »

sokoloff wrote: post #395
krisgenre wrote: post #376

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One way or the other aren't most of us building for someone else's platform anyway?. Mobile, desktop, browser...

You can build alongside someone else's long-term demonstrated strategy (developing Microsoft desktop software) much more securely than developing a feature in someone else's closed garden. You can also spread your footprint. As just an easy-to-discuss example, Facebook and Twitter develop for many different someone else's platforms, by supporting multiple browsers [who in turn support multiple OSs], multiple mobile p…

Developing Microsoft desktop software you're still building on someone else's platform and hoping they don't decide to alter the terms of the deal. Microsoft may be more forward thinking than Google, but companies change.
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