Live data from Hacker News

Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

theverge.com

331–340 of 374 posts

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#331
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most vegetarians don't take the quasi-religious interpretation that coming into contact with another meat product permanently dirties whatever they're eating. Some do, certainly, but not most. A more general definition of a vegetarian food is food whose ingredients do not purposefully include any product that requires killing an animal to extract it. Note that the homeopathic definition of vegetarian means that essen…

While I'm certainly not trying to be quas-religious, what's the point of a definition of it means nothing? If there's meat in the patty because of poor preparation, that's plainly easily avoidable by scraping the grill, and bk just refuses to do it or find one of the other amazingly easy ways to not have it cooked in beef fat, you can't call it vegetarian. Absolutely there's no way for a company to never have insects…

If you're intentionally cooking something in beef fat to impart beef fat flavor, that's one thing. If you happen to be using the same cooking surface that might have some marginal level of beef fat residue, that's something entirely different.

If you adopt a definition of vegetarian that excludes any product that has a microgram of animal meat in it, you rapidly run into the problem that there is literally no vegetarian food, because dead animals end up unintentionally incorporated into pretty much all products in the processing stage. There's not even vegetarian water, because (animal) rotifers are present in it.

I say this all as a vegetarian who avoids fish sauce and animal-based broths, meaning effectively large swaths of Japanese and Southeast Asian cuisines are effectively off limits to me. The attempt to one-up the majority of vegetarians by demanding convoluted purity rituals for the right to claim membership in the One True Vegetarianism doesn't help anyone.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frozen meat tastes orders of magnitudes better than any of the alternatives

How's that work when you want to use some? Do you have a giant chunk of frozen meat you have to get smaller, more usable pieces from? Do you thaw it enough to cut then put the rest back? I can't picture how this works.

Typically when you buy a large fraction of a cow, the butcher will process it into a bunch of different cuts, I.e. ribeye, flank, chuck, tenderloin, etc. the cuts are usually single-serving, except if you want to keep the tenderloin whole or something. You also get a bunch of hamburger patties or ground beef. Point is, you get all the meat pre-cut before your freeze, so you can use only what you need at any given time.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#333

had my first impossible burger this weekend. the patty itself was like 6oz and cost $15 just for the burger (no fries). i'm in NYC and even this is a bit high for the area. it was also sitting on a large bun topped with lettuce/tomorrow. the patty was overwhelmed. I thought it tasted just ok and would give it a C. The whopper patty tastes better IMO.

"the patty itself was like 6oz and cost $15 just for the burger " Wait, what?

Not unusual for nyc

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you absolutely certain this is the case? The majority of my vegetarian friends would be upset to find their vegetarian dish was contaminated with meat if they ate out in a restaurant. I don't see why it would be any different in BK?

Virtually every vegetarian meal you've ever had was contaminated. My personal anecdote here is several years making pizza. Veggie pizzas are topped by hands that have handled meats without being washed, the pizza cutter used to slice your pizza just got done cutting a hundred meat pizzas. In my years making pizzas I made 2-3 pizzas in a non-contaminated way, it was a special request. Everyone is either unaware of thi…

I don't disagree. This is why I personally avoid places that aren't 100% vegan or don't have serious published food handling guidelines. Someone's laziness could kill someone.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#335
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a cross-contamination scenario as described, it's going to be trace amounts only.

So it's a meatless burger that might have been in contact with meat or been in contact with a surface that has been in contact with meet ? And this upsets people to the point the entire product is dismissed and labelled a lie ? No wonder the world is not at peace.

People don't like being lied to.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#336
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are quite a few non-dairy creamers that work great As someone who has tried a lot of non-dairy creamers, I have yet to find a single one that "works great". There's something very characteristic about both the taste and the consistency of milk and most replacement products are nowhere close. That's not to say milk is irreplaceable for all applications, but there's a tendency to over-hype healthy and organic r…

Oatley Oat Milk works incredibly well. It's kind of a trendy thing at Alfred coffee shops in LA but invented 30-years ago in Sweden. It's in several stores but the supply has been limited so it's somewhat hard to get.

Again, "works incredibly well" is, in my subjective opinion, almost an absurd exaggeration. Yes, it "works", but by what criteria? If your criteria is that it should be better than no addition to the coffee at all, sure, but that is true for all creamers, for some people even the worst ones. If your criteria is that you want the taste of milk, then it really, really does not work, at all.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, 91% of cattle ranches are family owned and about half of all cattle are raised in small herds of 50 head or less. You are also belittling the work of these professionals. You sound like you have little knowledge of the industry in general.

The top result I got on google said 78% of cattle comes from factory farms. Its source doesn't cite further sources though. It sets off my BS-meter. Do you have any sources yourself on how much cattle is factory farmed? Cattle aside, it does seem like most all small animal meat is factory farmed (poultry & pork).

https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/Highlights/2015/Cattl...

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Imagine being more or less constantly pregnant during your entire life Can you explain this to me, I only know how this is on farms, the cow will be in heat 1 time a year, I mean it is natural to the cows, you can't impregnate them if they are not in heat and if it was a wild cow she would still get as pregnant as often. But maybe is the industrial way something else is happening? Let me know so I understand your po…

Emphasis on “during your entire life”. Yes in the wild, cattle would be naturally inclined to bear offspring annually, but may not always. Also, would eventually stop and live on to help care for the calves of younger individuals in the flock. Wild cattle were likely also older when they first calves as domesticated cattle are both bred to calve earlier and also forced too. Basically inseminated as early as physiolog…

>Emphasis on “during your entire life”. Yes in the wild, cattle would be naturally inclined to bear offspring annually, but may not always. Also, would eventually stop and live on to help care for the calves of younger individuals in the flock.

Please link me to facts

>Wild cattle were likely also older when they first calves as domesticated cattle are both bred to calve earlier and also forced too. Basically inseminated as early as physiologically possible.

Please link , because I can't believe that a wild animal is in heat but decides not to follow the instincts, my cat got pregnant so freaking young I was afraid she would die. The animals do not decide this but if you have links to scientific paper where healthy individuals do not follow the natural instinct I want to see it.

I am not arguing for a camp or other, I want to clear up things when someone tells me things that at first glance seems as fake things people in cities that never seen an animal imagined. But I will change my mind if you provide the facts to read for myself.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The top result I got on google said 78% of cattle comes from factory farms. Its source doesn't cite further sources though. It sets off my BS-meter. Do you have any sources yourself on how much cattle is factory farmed? Cattle aside, it does seem like most all small animal meat is factory farmed (poultry & pork).

https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/Highlights/2015/Cattl...

>Operations with 1,000 or more head of cattle on feed accounted for 75 percent of the inventory in 2007 and 77 percent in 2012.

That's from your source there. While most farms/ranches might be family owned, most cattle are in large operations.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. I wouldn't even say it's 5%, let alone 20%. You only have to walk into a supermarket to see this is nonsense, meat vs veggie options are like 10 to 1. You're referencing one widely debunked survey (this is about the vegan part of it, but it applied to the whole study and the vegetarian percentage claim (of 14%, not 20%), is discussed and debunked later in the article): https://fullfact.org/health/vegans…

Since you're offering anecdotes as information, I'll also add that about 20-30% of my friends are vegetarian here in the UK. None are vegan, though. I think it's a two-parter: There's a degree of social pressure within groups, but it's also a function of where you live. As part of a university-dense area there's a lot of eco-conscious vegetarians here - which makes it easier to market to vegetarians - so they have mo…

I'm offering actual facts coloured by an anecdote, there's a big difference.

I live in Nottingham, which has two big universities. There are a few vegan cafes and bars around. I don't know how old you are, but a lot of my ex-veggie friends stopped being so in their 30s.

Post reply on HN