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Almond milk in coffee makes it taste like disgusting hot bitter marzipan imo.
Ha - a fair description of how I viewed it initially as well. Though, it is amazing how tastes can change. I have the gene that makes Cilantro taste like soap. When I first moved to California, I couldn’t stand it. A decade later and I love cilantro.
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I've driven by a few factory farms in California. You know you're close to one when you're hit with the smell of manure many miles out. When you actually drive by the farms, the reality is quite depressing: the cattle are standing in their own shit with barely any space to move. I'm done with red meat myself.
That's pretty bad, it isn't like that in other places. In fact it's better for the environment to rotate grazing lands overall. It helps deal with or reverse desertification. It's not much different than how fish farms have been changing to something closer to what nature offers in places. My single biggest issue with these meat alternatives is I cannot understand why it's costing so much more than actual meat.
I'd imagine it's because of the economies of scale; once production ramps up to sufficiently-high volume, the prices should in theory go down. Availability in fast food should hopefully help with that.
Subsidies are another aspect to this, though I don't know offhand how heavily cattle ranching is subsidized v., say, corn or soy.
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This are cows not humans, my experience is with real world cows that are raised outside on fields,when the cow is in heat she will start ridding other cows(yes cows become lesbians and "rape" other cows, I know your mind is blown now), a bull will smell her from a distance and will come to the cow, the cow is always wiling because is her nature, she is not a thinking human it is all instinct. At my grandparents farm…
Again, just because they are cows does not mean they do not have emotions. These animals are more than capable of feeling happiness, sadness, fear, pain, etc. Modern industrial scale agriculture is what we are talking about here, not one-off mom and pop farms that represent a drop in the bucket of dairy production.
About animals having feelings, I know very well, just that when nature says is time to get pregnant the cow is just an animal in heat(it is dangerous even and you must be careful around them)
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You're linking to a website with a clear agenda, hardly a reliable source. First off, who are the billionaire ranchers and secondly, why would it be wrong for them to exist (since they exist for every other major industry, too, including tech). - Farm land for vegetables takes up MASSIVE amounts of space, and it's not the same as leaving that land to nature and wildlife - Animals have to be killed in the production o…
Raising cattle also requires additional land use for growing feed.
That said, actual ranching (i.e. giving livestock room to graze) would be far less of an environmental burden (so long as it's in places where one doesn't have to burn down forests to make that grazing land).
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I'm referring to the process of cooking it. They don't separate the food and you get cross-contact with meat and dairy proteins - making it non-vegetarian and definately not vegan. This is basically all marketing driven (which is fine) but its not animal-product free, which is what normal people think when they see "plant based" food.
Are you absolutely certain this is the case? The majority of my vegetarian friends would be upset to find their vegetarian dish was contaminated with meat if they ate out in a restaurant. I don't see why it would be any different in BK?
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>It is totally propped up by with subsidies from the US Government. They LOSE money on every cow slaughtered. I don't think the math works out on that one. This page [1] gives total meat consumption per person per year as 222.2 lb, which would be (x320 million) = 71 billion lb/year. This page [2] gives total farm subsidies (which is a high estimate since it include all subsidies not just those to meat) as $20 billion…
222.2 lb / year sounds high! I'm not sure if 7M vegetarians would move the needle much, but even ignoring them, that's about 0.6lbs of meat every day for every man, woman and child. Assuming toddlers and the elderly don't eat that much, that puts some adults closer to a pound of meat a day every day. That's a lot more meat consumption than I would have estimated.
That doesn't sound all that high at all. I probably would've guessed slightly lower at less than 0.5lbs/person, but knowing the average American diet that seems well within reason. If I ate a 1/4 lb burger twice a day (i.e. for lunch and dinner) or a 1/2 lb burger once a day (i.e. just for lunch or dinner), that'd be pretty close on beef alone.
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Yes, it's sad on many levels. Never heard of a billionaire farmer though. Maybe Purdue (chicken)?
Tyson, Cargill, JBS, National Beef are all multi-billion dollar companies whose owners are billionaires. Calling them "ranchers" is probably a stretch though, haha!
"Billionaire ranchers" conjures up an image of some guy with a cowboy hat and gold chains in a mansion overlooking endless expanses of pastures and barns. In reality most independent ranchers don't live so lavishly :)
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Personally, I don't have a problem with locally raised beef. Factory farms make up the majority of beef. Stats are here: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/its-time-to-end-factory-f_b_1...
Oxford and CSIRO scientists already proved grass fed cattle is worse for greenhouse gases than CAFO beef farming. Carbon sequestration no where near makes up for the increases emissions.
* The emissions from the livestock themselves should be identical given the same number of cows and the same dietary input; CO₂ output might increase for pasture-raised cattle, given the higher physical activity, but methane output (IIRC the primary concern re: cattle and their environmental impact) shouldn't change all that much
* Non-livestock emissions (from e.g. motorized equipment) seem much easier to minimize in a traditional ranch setting - especially considering that independent ranchers once upon a time ran their ranches without motorized equipment at all, and some still do - than for a modern factory farm
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Vegetarians are not common outside of certain metropolitan areas in the US
> Vegetarians are not common outside of certain metropolitan areas in the US There are roughly half a billion vegetarians in India.
This entire thread is about a question that refers to the US so to be able to misinterpret my response so significantly is strange.
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As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.
My understanding is that the vast majority of cattle (80%?) in the United States is raised in factory farms; the vast majority the meat Americans available to purchase grocery store, served in restaurants, and processed for fast food, is sourced from those same farms. And my understanding is that the conditions would be horrific by almost any standard: the animals are kept confined, in extremely cramped and nasty con…
You are also belittling the work of these professionals. You sound like you have little knowledge of the industry in general.