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Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by chrisco255 »

hart_russell wrote: post #205
chrisco255 wrote: post #74

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As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.

I've driven by a few factory farms in California. You know you're close to one when you're hit with the smell of manure many miles out. When you actually drive by the farms, the reality is quite depressing: the cattle are standing in their own shit with barely any space to move. I'm done with red meat myself.

So the cattle are living in the same condition as many San Franciscans? I live in TX and grew up in FL and the cattle have plenty of room to roam here.

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Post by superpermutat0r »

ponderatul wrote: post #201

I'm mostly worried about soy and generally, this human interventionism. Where you take something that has been with us for 2000 years and replace it with something else, on which it's impossible to have the same amount of data.

Same worry applies to cars, plastics, artificial fertilizer, pesticides etc.

Government isn't going to stop this.

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Post by simion314 »

tomstoms wrote: post #157
wallace_f wrote: post #109

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I'm unsure of the ethics of milk as food. Do milk cows live good lives? Can they? I've researched, and haven't come to a firm conclusion, but I'm not as alarmed by it, in relative terms. Could be bias. Dairy is my most-favoured food. Cheese, milk, yogurt, butter...

Imagine being more or less constantly pregnant during your entire life, hooked up to a machine that sucks your calves food out of you, while they are dragged away for slaughter or to join the crew. After a handful lactations, or if you don’t produce enough, or you’re sick too often, you’re slaughtered too. Most of the time you’re indoors walking around in your own feces. Sound like a good life to you?

>Imagine being more or less constantly pregnant during your entire life

Can you explain this to me, I only know how this is on farms, the cow will be in heat 1 time a year, I mean it is natural to the cows, you can't impregnate them if they are not in heat and if it was a wild cow she would still get as pregnant as often.

But maybe is the industrial way something else is happening? Let me know so I understand your point

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Post by doguozkan »

merpnderp wrote: post #185
TillE wrote: post #150

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Veganism isn't an allergy, and it's not about maintaining perfect bodily purity. It's about making ethical choices. Most people aren't going to worry about incidental "contamination".

Sounds like a religion. I get not wanting factory farmed meat, but what's wrong with hunting meat for yourself? In the end we're all meat for something, even if it's just the worms.

My understanding is that it's an ethical decision about not killing an animal (or some animals) or directly supporting the killing of an animal. Hunting would be in conflict with this decision. The consequences around an animal's killing are irrelevant here.

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Post by wnissen »

Baeocystin wrote: post #163
sgillen wrote: post #100

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Ironically I find that I (vegetarian, not vegan) tend to enjoy meat replacements that don't try replicate meat. I find the ones that DO try to replicate meats taste are just not very good at it, and it ends up tasting pretty bad. The good stuff is still tasty and savory but it's doing its own thing. edit: Not to say the impossible burger can't be good (I've not been able to try one) Just a comment on existing product…

I'm not a vegetarian at all (I eat a lot of various meats, love'em) but I genuinely like veggies, too, and I fully agree with you. The best vegetarian dishes are the ones that work with the best flavors of whatever ingredients are present, not ones that try and pretend to be something else. You can get some very savory flavors with mushrooms, gluten, etc that are wonderful all on their own. That being said, I've been…

I'm in your lane, the more a veggie burger embraces the vegetables, not being a meat simulacrum, the better it tastes. The more beany a black bean burger, the better. I like the "Chik'n" patties but they are deep fried so arguably the main flavor is not meat but crust. But not this burger. Try it, I think you'll be impressed.

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Post by tracker1 »

wccrawford wrote: post #69

As far as I can tell, I'm the target demographic for this. I eat beef (and other meat) burgers because I like how they taste. If this comes close, I'll gladly switch, even though they cost a little more. I'm far from vegetarian, but I've been thinking more and more that I'd like to slim down on my actual meat eating for a few reasons, including the environment, the animal living conditions, and the cholesterol. The o…

The issue I have, is that this shouldn't cost more at all. They're literally charging more to process the food they're feeding the cows into something meat-like than it costs to actually buy the meat. If the cows are a less expensive process, then I'm just not into it.

(Aside from the fact that I can't handle legumes anyway)

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Post by adrianmonk »

scruple wrote: post #194
jimmaswell wrote: post #177

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What I find more "hopelessly stupid" is being so uptight about the matter that you care if a few particles of animal matter made their way into your food from a shared grill. Even assuming the vegan moral framework, it does no additional good to separate the grills and you're not encouraging any more animal harm by reusing the other grill. It's not like a religion that bans eating certain foods, or an allergy, in whi…

I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, personally. I'm a hunter, a fisherman, and I buy beef by the half cow from a small ranch. All of that said, if Burger King is selling some food products and marketing them as vegetarian or vegan, but they are being cooked in animal grease, and surely that is what this means, well, then they're either stupid, they're liars, or they're hopelessly incompetent. And you see this sort of to…

> but they are being cooked in animal grease

They are flame broiled, not grilled. They aren't cooked in any type of grease.

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Post by tracker1 »

hart_russell wrote: post #205
chrisco255 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.

I've driven by a few factory farms in California. You know you're close to one when you're hit with the smell of manure many miles out. When you actually drive by the farms, the reality is quite depressing: the cattle are standing in their own shit with barely any space to move. I'm done with red meat myself.

That's pretty bad, it isn't like that in other places. In fact it's better for the environment to rotate grazing lands overall. It helps deal with or reverse desertification. It's not much different than how fish farms have been changing to something closer to what nature offers in places.

My single biggest issue with these meat alternatives is I cannot understand why it's costing so much more than actual meat.

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Post by scruple »

jimmaswell wrote: post #206
scruple wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, personally. I'm a hunter, a fisherman, and I buy beef by the half cow from a small ranch. All of that said, if Burger King is selling some food products and marketing them as vegetarian or vegan, but they are being cooked in animal grease, and surely that is what this means, well, then they're either stupid, they're liars, or they're hopelessly incompetent. And you see this sort of to…

In the sense that they're not giving these customers what they want, they're being incompetent, but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation. Like caring if the same coffee machine was used for non-free-trade coffee grounds before you used it for your own grounds, or that a non-cage-free egg was made on the same grill earlier in the day when you ordered cage-free.

> I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation.

Look it, no one is demanding anything. They're mis-representing their product. That's all that I'm saying. The end.

Everything else you're saying, your railing against the so-called "vegan moral framework," etc..., is, to me, just you grinding an axe.

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