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Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by honkycat »

everdev wrote: post #40

I wonder what the cost basis is of an Impossible Burger vs. a beef patty. The meat industry has built up some economies of scale but it's hard to believe that raising and slaughtering cows is the most cost effective way to feed people protein.

I am not a vegan. But I do hold a lot of environmental values.

There is a LOT of interesting writing on the economy of the meat industrial complex.

In essence: It is totally propped up by with subsidies from the US Government. They LOSE money on every cow slaughtered. They destroy our planet. All of the profits go to the billionaire farm owners who lobby to keep the laws in place. It is so horribly corrupt.

Personally, I find it disgusting that we give hand-outs so these billionaire ranchers can:

- Feed us unhealthy food

- Destroy the environment with greenhouse gasses and farm run-off

- Take up MASSIVE amounts of space

- Use massive amounts of water

- Create drug-resistant bacteria by pumping the animals full of antibiotics

- create horrible living conditions for animals and suppress anti-meat propaganda with ag-gag laws

- Pay their workers in the factory farm a pittance to do depressing, disgusting work so the owners can hoover up all of the profit.

Check out https://meatonomics.com/ for more information.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by Majestic121 »

eloff wrote: post #56
moate wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data or it didn't happen.

If you feel the need for a fact check, do it yourself (and then share it here). It's not the OPs job to lookup facts for you.

That's not how the burden of proof works.

It becomes the OP's job to provide fact when they state things and then are asked to back them up.

OP can then choose not to do so, but the one asking for source is not to be blamed here.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by moate »

rossenberg79 wrote: post #28

There’s a good reason why these sort of products are marketed as meatless and not vegetarian, and it’s not because they still contain some animal products. When a true vegetarian is hungry, the first thing that comes to their minds are plant based foods. If the first though is of juicy burgers or bacon or chicken then that person is not a real vegetarian. To be vegetarian is to be vegetarian in mind and identity. Mea…

Cool "No True Scotsman" bro. Problem is there's no "unified vegetarianism". There's some degree of common cultural identity, but I know plenty of vegetarians who DGAF about the grill their food was cooked on. Hell, just getting people to agree what the term "meat" means can be difficult.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by chrisco255 »

wccrawford wrote: post #69

As far as I can tell, I'm the target demographic for this. I eat beef (and other meat) burgers because I like how they taste. If this comes close, I'll gladly switch, even though they cost a little more. I'm far from vegetarian, but I've been thinking more and more that I'd like to slim down on my actual meat eating for a few reasons, including the environment, the animal living conditions, and the cholesterol. The o…

As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by RandomInteger4 »

Are these the burgers that bleed for no apparent appetizing reason?

If I see my burger bleed, I'm sending it back, because I don't want food poisoning. Not sure how they came up with this nonsense that they think people want to see bloody under cooked ground meat.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by bifrost »

mikestew wrote: post #42
bifrost wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if it has meat juice on it due to how its prepared. I realize some people are willing to be handwavey about it...

No need to be so dismissive, there's nothing hand-wavy about it. That meat juice you think I'm so concerned about? Hey, I didn't request that an animal be slaughtered for my meal, that was the guy before me. If some of his meat drippings fall on my Impossible Burger, no purity tests have been failed.

I guess its the difference of intent vs the outcome.

Yes, you didn't ask for meat but you got some anyways and if you're fine with that, thats cool.

If there's meat juice on your vegan burger even by accident its not vegan, I don't think thats too weird of a concept. I'm sure people will bikeshed about this, but if you go look up the definition of "vegan" you'll generally find its "doesn't consume animal products" and there won't be too many mentions of "its ok if there's a little bit of meat in something". Interestingly I found out that there IS an exception for eating Halal; If you eat something that is Haram by accident, you're not at fault. This transpired because a buddy of mine went to a BBQ and was going off on how delicious the chicken and brisket was, and then I pointed ou the rib slabs and sausages hanging over it and then he turned a bit green....

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Post by GordonS »

noselasd wrote: post #46
bifrost wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to the process of cooking it. They don't separate the food and you get cross-contact with meat and dairy proteins - making it non-vegetarian and definately not vegan. This is basically all marketing driven (which is fine) but its not animal-product free, which is what normal people think when they see "plant based" food.

How much of an "impossible" 150g burger are we talking about here that contains animal meat ? 10% ? 50% ?

In a cross-contamination scenario as described, it's going to be trace amounts only.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by astura »

robertfw wrote: post #60
goda90 wrote: post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

As an aside, there are quite a few non-dairy creamers that work great for coffee/tea etc, as almond/soy definitely do not work well.

Many mainstream "Non-dairy" creamers, like Coffee Mate and International Delight, usually have dairy in them though, specifically, caseinate. So not suitable for strict vegans. It's a quirk in labeling laws that products that have milk-derived ingredients can be labeled non-dairy as long as they label the milk-derived ingredients as milk-derived in the ingredients list.

That being said, they do make vegan creamer, never had any myself. It's still a specialty product though, most places that serve coffee, beyond coffee shops, are only going to have milk, half and half, and Coffee Mate/International Delight.

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Post by shaklee3 »

rottyguy wrote: post #43

had my first impossible burger this weekend. the patty itself was like 6oz and cost $15 just for the burger (no fries). i'm in NYC and even this is a bit high for the area. it was also sitting on a large bun topped with lettuce/tomorrow. the patty was overwhelmed. I thought it tasted just ok and would give it a C. The whopper patty tastes better IMO.

You likely had the impossible 1.0, which is supposed to be inferior. I've had the 1.0, and it was decent. The 2.0 is very hard to find, even in California, but easy to find the 1.0.

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Post by saagarjha »

kjaftaedi wrote: post #59
bifrost wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if it has meat juice on it due to how its prepared. I realize some people are willing to be handwavey about it...

Imagine being so picky that you're willing to hold back society's progress about an issue that you care about, for no other reason than waiting for perfection. I get your argument, but you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Note that this can a religious concern for some people.
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