Is this weird guerilla marketing for The Outline? These articles aren't really very good.
Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake
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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake
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If you’re going to suggest vim bindings, fine, I get it; but the act of moving a cursor around to insert, remove, replace, or otherwise refactor parts of code is pretty essential to my workflow and I can’t imagine how someone wouldn’t need it. I use structural editing shortcuts quite a bit, but not 100% of the time.
I think you’d be surprised as to how many people just use the mouse for that.
Sometimes resulting in RSI
Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake
#603hmm... am I alone in being someone who likes the butterfly keyboard?
Not at all. Even a lot of people that hate it, liked it for several months until it broke. That doesn't say much about whether it's a good idea overall, though.
Right. It's a very polarizing keyboard design. Whereas previous designs pleased everyone.
Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake
#604It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…
> tune and configure it to work You really don't have to do that. For example: I put Ubuntu Mate on a 2009 Macbook that could not run MacOs anymore (too slow). I had to install a wifi driver, and that was it. Everything else worked out of the box. My current Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop is running the same OS, and needed 0 drivers installed. I put Antergos on an Intel Nuc (that I later switched to Ubuntu Server). Again,…
> You really don't have to do that.
Actually you don't have to do that, which is not the same thing at all.
I find this one of the oddest moves of those who (for reasons mysterious to me) find OS's worthy of advocacy. When you say to them 'with Linux I find X', their response is "no you don't". Where is the conversation supposed to go from there?
I install a couple of distros on every new laptop I buy, and perhaps once again during its lifetime. I have in reality found it a tremendous pain and time-suck, with each attempt taking a few days reading and fiddling, more than in total I've spent 'administering' desktop OS X or Windows over a couple of decades.
I've persevered out of a combination of nostalgia (I did run Slackware full-time for some years), wistfulness about some gnu/linux goodies (i3 etc), and ethical preferences. But on every occasion I just find it to be more time than it's worth. I have many more important things to do with my precious and limited time on this planet than mess with OS's
Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake
#605Jumped ship from Apple a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. Thinkpad laptop and homemade PC with mechanical keyboard: they're fast, easy to type on, and I'm lucky enough to be sufficiently savvy to fix most issues on my own.
OSX is still the superior OS - by orders of magnitude, in my mind - but Apple has simply stopped trying. Prices up, quality down. The only exception remains the good ol' iMac - possibly their greatest non-phone achievement. But the design hasn't changed in a billion years, you can't really upgrade it, and there's no decent GPU solution.
Windows-land ain't wonderful, but I'm priced out of Appleworld and I've lost my patience with it. Until something better comes along OS-wise, I'm happy where I am. (I use Linux occasionally too and enjoy it.) With respect to typing, though, man oh man: Thinkpad keyboards? Cherry MX switches? I know which rock I'm dying on.
Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake
#606To play devil's advocate, I've fully adjusted to the butterfly keyboard design and find the travel of the older keys excessive and unnecessary work for my fingers. All my colleagues type 8hr+ a day on the butterfly keyboard without complaints. While I have experienced the annoyance of debris getting caught underneath keys, it seems like a problem of refinement of the design rather than tossing it out entirely, as man…
They can’t just “refine” it if their 3rd iteration still has problems and it’s been years. They would have been better off reverting.
And honestly, I’m not sure I will trust them if they get up on stage again with another “all new” design. I want them to basically say “we went back to exactly the same design as our 2013 laptops”.
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The lack of emphasis of good input is absolutely maddening when people were buying macbooks with lousy specs for the price, low-res displays for the price, who absolutely loved the fantastic trackpad, adequete keyboard, and good build quality. Now the devices are getting more fragile and the keyboards aren't even average they're junk. The touchbar is shit. Apple seems to be regressing to their form over function puck…
> The touchbar is shit. It really is. Way to go making it impossible to (un)mute and adjust the volume without opening my eyes. And in exchange of what, really? The privilege of losing the physical Esc?
I thought the missing escape would be the thing that drove me nuts since I spend a reasonable chunk of my day in VI. Turns out, it is the damn siri button above the delete. Not quite sure how I keep hitting it.
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Design it so it doesnt break despite tolerances? This is engineering, having something fail is not acceptable.
"This is engineering, having something fail is not acceptable." No. Engineering is not about 'zero failure' at all. It's about characterizing the failure properly. Have you ever had the pleasure of working on a physical, manufactured product? There is no such thing as a perfect run. There are always defects, there are always failures for any product at scale. 100% of Apple products have a measurable failure rate. The…
Failure-
Not meeting specifications.
These did not meet specs. At least customer expectations.
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She was being sarcastic. She wasn't saying that nothing else matters, she was saying that nothing else matters if it fails at being a functional keyboard.
But Apple is the only one grappling with that. It's not what Microsoft's presentation is going to be about.
Yes, exactly. That's the sarcasm.
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I think my 2007-ish macbook pro had the best keyboard of all. Light action concave keys I don't think that the superiority of concave keys gets the attention it deserves. - the keys fit your finger better - the force of the keypress is evenly distributed across the surface of your finger, especially as the key bottoms out. New keyboards deform your finger pad as you press down and are less comfortable. - the concave…
Sounds simliar to the Thinkpad keys/keyboards - the best in the industry IMO. Mac trackpad + Thinkpad keyboard = perfect laptop :)
If you are speaking about the 7 row Thinkpad keyboards from before the Lenovo acquisition I totally agree.