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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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hmm... am I alone in being someone who likes the butterfly keyboard?

the article isn't about the feel of the keyboard, its about the reliability. Unless you are saying you like stuck keys?

Apple users say they like that Apple is closed, so I wouldn't put it past them.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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I think the butterfly keys are great, when I got used to them going back to anything else felt like a step back. Reliability issues are a problem, but that's all within reason I think. If they repair for free. The issue with Mac is they are too expensive and a lot of the regular, non-iPhone stuff is languishing.

>Reliability issues are a problem, but that's all within reason I think.

No, when your product doesnt work, that is unacceptable.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> “So, just curious, why did you buy another one?” she asked, referring to the 2018 MacBook Air I’d gotten six months after selling the Pro. I was hoping she talked more about this part, but brushing it aside by bringing up "Apple ecosystem" is pretty unsatisfactory. It does tell you, though, that Apple has its target demographic by the balls, and broken keyboards are certainly not chasing them away. Macbooks will ge…

My last company gave us iPhones, and I was excited to try an Apple product without giving Apple money. Wow, I felt like I was using a phone that was 5 years old. I only imagine Apple users have Allegory of the Cave effect, they don't know whats out there. Leaving the cave is lots of work, so they enjoy whats available for them.

What about the phone/OS made you feel that?

Your comment is offensively patronising. Have you considered the chance you’re also suffering from bias of having used the same systems for years?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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The arrow keys are one of the most essential parts of a keyboard for people who write a lot of code or otherwise do a lot of copyediting. This type of user needs to be able to lock on to the arrow keys repeatedly and unconsciously without fail throughout the work day. Apple's keyboard designers understood this and got it right for over 15 years. But that changed in 2016. As of 2016, Apple's new keyboards provide zero…

Honest question: Why are you using arrow keys for coding?

If you’re going to suggest vim bindings, fine, I get it; but the act of moving a cursor around to insert, remove, replace, or otherwise refactor parts of code is pretty essential to my workflow and I can’t imagine how someone wouldn’t need it. I use structural editing shortcuts quite a bit, but not 100% of the time.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

Do you have one? It charges very quickly. Basically go make a cup of coffee and it's charged for the day+ when you get back. Leave it plugged in overnight and it's good for almost a month.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

>Even with the issues above it still has an excellent display, I like the keyboard (waiting to start having issues), and the battery life is the best I’ve ever had. I don't understand this. I understand not liking Linux Desktop(I hate it, but LOVE LOVE LOVE Ubuntu Server, fav OS of all time) And... the screen is what has you sold on Apple OS? I'm flustered at this logic. Pretty screen-> Good operating system I only i…

I send easily 8-10 hours per day looking at my screen. Screen quality has a large effect on how tied my eyes are at the end of the day. When I was younger it wasn't as noticeable but I'm not young anymore and my eyes are noticeable happier with the MacBook Pro screen that any other screen I've tried.

For me it's an issue of eye health.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

>Even with the issues above it still has an excellent display, I like the keyboard (waiting to start having issues), and the battery life is the best I’ve ever had. I don't understand this. I understand not liking Linux Desktop(I hate it, but LOVE LOVE LOVE Ubuntu Server, fav OS of all time) And... the screen is what has you sold on Apple OS? I'm flustered at this logic. Pretty screen-> Good operating system I only i…

It is good experience to be able to buy Apple device and be sure that everything there is pretty good. Choosing among thousands of alternatives is pretty frustrating. What brand should I choose? HP, Dell, Lenovo, IBM, Acer, Asus, whatever? I need good display, fast CPU, good battery life, enough RAM. Pretty vague requirements. You are buying Macbook and it's just good, you don't have any regrets, because its CPU is one of the fastest, RAM is enough for most tasks, build is good, devices are just working with all drivers included, etc. I think that people love Apple because of that. They put their trust to this brand, they are paying astronomical margins and they expect to receive the best in return. It's hard to earn that trust.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> You missed charging the Apple Pencil on the ipad pro. You plug the Pencil into the iPad to pair it. It comes with an adapter that you use to charge it with a regular cable.

That's not what Apple says on their docs. They say: "To charge your Apple Pencil (1st generation), plug your Apple Pencil INTO THE Lightning connector on your iPad. You can ALSO charge it with a USB Power Adapter by using the Apple Pencil Charging Adapter that came with your Apple Pencil. " (Emphasis mine). Besides, you shouldn't need to plug it that way to pair it either.

The docs don't seem to disagree with me.

> Besides, you shouldn't need to plug it that way to pair it either.

Agreed. And glad that's not necessary for the latest generation.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Should have told them to buy an old Apple Pro tower and max it out with new kit. This way you can actually make a machine more powerful than the ones that they currently sell.

Depends on what your definition of "powerful" is. If it has to do with CPU or RAM or SSD performance then no, you cannot max out the 2012 vintage Mac Pro with kit comparable to what the current iMac Pro ships with.

Ability to play back 8K video? https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8xkq8k/mac-pro-up...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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People still bringing up the Magic Mouse. The idea is you weren't supposed to leave it plugged in. 2 hours of charging = 2 months of use so it's not like charging was supposed to be a regular occurrence.

> The idea is you weren't supposed to leave it plugged in. The idea is I don't care about the idea. If I forgot to charge it, or come back from holidays and it's off, I want to be able to plug in and still work. Like with every other mouse. Not to mention: when the charge lasts so long (2 months) it's even easier to forget to recharge it and take it for granted. Unlike something you need to charge e.g. daily or so, t…

> If I forgot to charge it, or come back from holidays and it's off, I want to be able to plug in and still work.

As I mentioned elsewhere. You plug it in, go get a cup of coffee and come back with a day+ of usage.

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