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Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by patrickg_zill »

alistairSH wrote: post #81
patrickg_zill wrote: post #43

"ICE agents would circle the names that looked Latino-sounding and ran those names through a database and then would detain individuals based on those random checks." This was in no way unreasonable. If you were looking for people who were Asian you would focus more on last names of Li, Park Ajinomori rather than Berkowitz or Adams.

But they're looking for illegal immigrants, not Latinos. There's a certain amount of overlap between the groups, but they are not the same set.

There is a greater mathematical correlation between Latino surnames and illegal aliens who are staying in Motel 6's than there is between say, Japanese surnames and illegal aliens staying in Motel 6's. Do you deny this?

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Post by patrickg_zill »

cortesoft wrote: post #84
patrickg_zill wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person who should ultimately be blamed is the person who is illegally in the US. Why blame the cops for the arrest of a criminal?

So I assume you blame Rosa Parks for not sitting at the back of the bus? It was illegal to do what she did, so therefore she was a criminal. Not saying that has to be the case here, but just because something is against the law doesn't mean breaking it is morally bad.

If you believe that illegal aliens are coming to the US for the express purpose of civil disobedience (I think that is a fair summary of what Rosa Parks was doing), please show evidence of this.

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by darkpuma »

nl wrote: post #135
YeahSureWhyNot wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

here you go https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

That says "In FY18, a total of 396,579 individuals were apprehended between ports of entry on our Southwest Border." It's on course to be higher this year, but well under 1 million.

What percentage of attempted crossings result in an apprehension? My impression of ICE/border patrol is that they're an ineffectual agency[s] who're wasting my tax dollars. Basically a glorified jobs program for mouth breathers who can't hack it as real cops, not unlike the TSA. Is that not the case? Are they actually good at their job?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa...

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by estebank »

cheez wrote: post #152
cromwellian wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guilt by association? AT&T is a completely different kind of company than SV tech companies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%... The documents identified several technology companies as participants in the PRISM program, including Microsoft in 2007, Yahoo! in 2008, Google in 2009, Facebook in 2009, Paltalk in 2009, YouTube in 2010, AOL in 2011, Skype in 2011 and Apple in 2012.[22] The speaker's notes in the briefing document reviewed by The Washington Post indicated that "98 perce…

The implication being that all those companies were cooperating and not being inadvertently tapped. This is not a given and from what I've seen the later seemed more likely, without discounting the existence of companies that do cooperate on an ongoing basis.

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by tyingq »

code_duck wrote: post #74
nostromo wrote: post #24

This is... strange. When the federal government comes asking for your help, I think it's pretty normal for people to provide that help. In a just world, if the government asks for something inappropriately, then the party at fault is the government. (In other words, Washington should sue ICE, not Motel 6.) If we want companies to require a subpoena to share information with the federal government (and personally I do…

Isn’t it your duty to protect the privacy of your data and your customers regardless of who is requesting data? I thought companies like Twitter and Google routinely rebuffed requests for information from government agencies and opposed restrictive rules, e.g. in China, and are praised for it. The concept of resisting government requests for information is well established. If the police called and asked for my custo…

"Isn’t it your duty to protect the privacy of your data and your customers regardless of who is requesting data?"

The article says "after several locations gave information on thousands of guests to Immigration and Customs Enforcement without warrants"

Sounds like ICE got the info from the night manager or similar. I can see why a motel night manager might feel like they didn't have a choice in the matter. Motel 6 is still rightly on hook, but ICE knew better than to route the request to Motel 6 HDQ.

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by toyg »

code_duck wrote: post #74
nostromo wrote: post #24

This is... strange. When the federal government comes asking for your help, I think it's pretty normal for people to provide that help. In a just world, if the government asks for something inappropriately, then the party at fault is the government. (In other words, Washington should sue ICE, not Motel 6.) If we want companies to require a subpoena to share information with the federal government (and personally I do…

Isn’t it your duty to protect the privacy of your data and your customers regardless of who is requesting data? I thought companies like Twitter and Google routinely rebuffed requests for information from government agencies and opposed restrictive rules, e.g. in China, and are praised for it. The concept of resisting government requests for information is well established. If the police called and asked for my custo…

> I thought companies like Twitter and Google routinely rebuffed requests for information

Some, maybe. Definitely not all. Google reportedly has a system to let authorities access GMail. Similarly, Microsoft has been cooperating from pre-antitrust times, let alone now. And these are the richest companies in the world, with market caps in the hundreds of billions; they can afford to pay legions of top-level lawyers for decades-long litigation. Motel 6 in comparison is small beer; they were sold for less than 2$bn a few years ago.

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Post by anon4lol »

Selling you minute by minute geolocation from your phone: Acceptable. Credit card companies and retail companies selling your purchasing history: Acceptable. States selling license data and even your license photo: Acceptable. Municipalities selling property tax information to anyone: Acceptable. Unicorn companies monitoring your every move and everything you do on the internet: Acceptable.

Motel 6 employees giving registration information to law enforcement for free: NOT OK.

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Post by [deleted] »

nostromo wrote: post #24

This is... strange. When the federal government comes asking for your help, I think it's pretty normal for people to provide that help. In a just world, if the government asks for something inappropriately, then the party at fault is the government. (In other words, Washington should sue ICE, not Motel 6.) If we want companies to require a subpoena to share information with the federal government (and personally I do…

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Post by [deleted] »

nostromo wrote: post #24

This is... strange. When the federal government comes asking for your help, I think it's pretty normal for people to provide that help. In a just world, if the government asks for something inappropriately, then the party at fault is the government. (In other words, Washington should sue ICE, not Motel 6.) If we want companies to require a subpoena to share information with the federal government (and personally I do…

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Post by [deleted] »

derekp7 wrote: post #71
gamblor956 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE didn't commit a crime...It is not illegal for government agencies to request information from individuals or companies. Nor did Motel 6 for that matter. It was hit with a civil lawsuit...

This is where the laws need to be tightened -- people tend to not know what their rights or obligations are, and have to rely on expensive professionals to advise them (and it can still go wrong). When a government agent makes a request, often it can come across as a demand, with the implication that your are required by law to comply (they can even lie to you to get you to comply). Now in the case of a large busines…

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