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"ICE agents would circle the names that looked Latino-sounding and ran those names through a database and then would detain individuals based on those random checks." This was in no way unreasonable. If you were looking for people who were Asian you would focus more on last names of Li, Park Ajinomori rather than Berkowitz or Adams.
Why would ICE run "latino-sounding" names through and not just all names through whatever ICE database they're cross-referencing? Did they get a 10,000 page print out instead of a spreadsheet file? (why not Scan + OCR + cross reference with database - would be way faster) Just seems like ICE employees are only targeting latinos... intentionally. And that's the most bothering part of this to me. We're cool with Swedes…
> We're cool with Swedes overstaying their welcome... I think it has less to do with "being cool with Swedes", and more to do with the fact that illegal immigrants are -- statistically speaking -- overwhelming Hispanic, and anyone identifying illegals will have better results among Hispanics. I don't think anyone is more cool with a Swede conducting a terrorist attack than an Arab. Rather, any tenancy to profile Arab…
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-...
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> We're cool with Swedes overstaying their welcome... I think it has less to do with "being cool with Swedes", and more to do with the fact that illegal immigrants are -- statistically speaking -- overwhelming Hispanic, and anyone identifying illegals will have better results among Hispanics. I don't think anyone is more cool with a Swede conducting a terrorist attack than an Arab. Rather, any tenancy to profile Arab…
>I merely assert that the motivations for racial profiling stems more from actual statistics and cost-benefit analysis than intrinsic irrational racism as I think you suggest. That doesn't make racial profiling any more ethical or correct. The evidence is so overwhelming that intrinsic irrational racism is part of the reason why it is done. That evidence includes direct rhetoric of the current administration.
> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians," What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?
The person who should ultimately be blamed is the person who is illegally in the US. Why blame the cops for the arrest of a criminal?
Not saying that has to be the case here, but just because something is against the law doesn't mean breaking it is morally bad.
"ICE agents would circle the names that looked Latino-sounding and ran those names through a database and then would detain individuals based on those random checks." This was in no way unreasonable. If you were looking for people who were Asian you would focus more on last names of Li, Park Ajinomori rather than Berkowitz or Adams.
But they're looking for illegal immigrants, not Latinos. There's a certain amount of overlap between the groups, but they are not the same set.
They're supposed to be looking for illegal immigrants, but that doesn't mean that's what they are doing.
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ICE didn't commit a crime...It is not illegal for government agencies to request information from individuals or companies. Nor did Motel 6 for that matter. It was hit with a civil lawsuit...
Not illegal, sure, but the lack of warrant may (should) mean the information is inadmissible in court. It's no different than if they stole it.
It’s also relevant that ICE mostly deals in civil law, not criminal. While illegal entry is also a crime, deportation is a civil enforcement action. The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine doesn’t quite apply. There might be something similar though, and I’d love someone more knowledgeable to chime in.
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Probably because it's not 1 million Swedes entering the country illegally every year.
The only known terrorists to be apprehended coming overland into America came from the North.
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ICE didn't commit a crime...It is not illegal for government agencies to request information from individuals or companies. Nor did Motel 6 for that matter. It was hit with a civil lawsuit...
This is where the laws need to be tightened -- people tend to not know what their rights or obligations are, and have to rely on expensive professionals to advise them (and it can still go wrong). When a government agent makes a request, often it can come across as a demand, with the implication that your are required by law to comply (they can even lie to you to get you to comply). Now in the case of a large busines…
This is a huge motel chain. They operate in a state which defines laws as to how you are allowed to handle your customer's information. Ignorance is not an excuse. I don't see how the individual citizen argument apples here and it's all hypotheticals anyway.
This is... strange. When the federal government comes asking for your help, I think it's pretty normal for people to provide that help. In a just world, if the government asks for something inappropriately, then the party at fault is the government. (In other words, Washington should sue ICE, not Motel 6.) If we want companies to require a subpoena to share information with the federal government (and personally I do…
You can read the details here ( https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Ano... ) It makes a lot more sense when you dig into the specifics.
Specifically, the State alleges that Motel 6 violated the CPA, RCW 19.86.020 and RCW 49.60.030(3), and the WLAD, RCW 49.60.030(1)(b) and RCW 49.60.215(1), by:
a. Disclosing private guest registry information to ICE agents, in violation of the public policy of the State of Washington, including the Washington State Constitution and Motel 6's own privacy policy;
b. Disclosing private guest registry information to ICE agents with the knowledge that ICE was requesting the guest registry information for the purpose of discovering and investigating guests on the basis of national origin, including guests with Latino-sounding names.
Seems reasonable to me.
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ICE didn't commit a crime...It is not illegal for government agencies to request information from individuals or companies. Nor did Motel 6 for that matter. It was hit with a civil lawsuit...
Not illegal, sure, but the lack of warrant may (should) mean the information is inadmissible in court. It's no different than if they stole it.