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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by abhisuri97 »

r00fus wrote: post #514
abhisuri97 wrote: post #465

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I see that point, but since Tesla has been around for a while now, consumers cannot keep giving them a pass solely because of the technical feats Tesla has achieved. They need to be held to the same criticism from the business standpoint as any other company would be (especially since Tesla is trying to position themselves as a middle-class-friendly option for EVs with the model 3).

I find that viewpoint a bit crazy. The competition has not caught up, in fact Tesla has rocketed ahead (slower than they promised but still).

By competition do you mean other EVs? If so, I agree with your point. I’m taking “competition” to mean tradition gas powered vehicles/big car manufacturers. Imo I think Tesla is picking a fight with gas powered manufacturers since they’re offering something at the same price point (ish).

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by greglindahl »

sjm-yc-acct wrote: post #687
mikeash wrote: post #673

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I’m not sure it’s comparable. There’s a lot of information you need to keep an eye on when flying. Speed, altitude, attitude, coordination, heading, position, etc. Lose track of any of those and you can get behind the airplane and crash. In a car, you sorta need to know your speed, and that’s it. Even speed is not entirely necessary. In an ICE car you also might want to keep an eye on engine RPM, oil temperature, and…

I have spent a little time flying in the left seat and right seat of real single engine aircraft (although I have never been in any Tesla.) I would say it's comparable, but a matter of degree. It is true that there is a much higher workload on the a/c pilot, especially on taxiing, takeoff, and landing. Pilots rely completely on their instruments during IFR. I have the feeling safety would be an issue if I was fumblin…

What battery overheating indicator?

The power meter, which is with the speedometer, has an indication if battery output is throttled. You can also feel it in the accelerator, no need to look.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by greglindahl »

m463 wrote: post #494
greglindahl wrote: post #353

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I like driving, and I also love having a large map on the screen when I’m driving in an unfamiliar area. The extra context is very helpful.

I don't see why you can't have both.

It does have both, for me.

I'm happy to agree that we have different preferences.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by sjm-yc-acct »

greglindahl wrote: post #702
sjm-yc-acct wrote: post #687

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I have spent a little time flying in the left seat and right seat of real single engine aircraft (although I have never been in any Tesla.) I would say it's comparable, but a matter of degree. It is true that there is a much higher workload on the a/c pilot, especially on taxiing, takeoff, and landing. Pilots rely completely on their instruments during IFR. I have the feeling safety would be an issue if I was fumblin…

What battery overheating indicator? The power meter, which is with the speedometer, has an indication if battery output is throttled. You can also feel it in the accelerator, no need to look.

Wait, the car doesn't tell you if the battery is overheating? That doesn't happen with Li-ion batteries? I heard it does in cars and airplanes and laptops...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner_battery_...

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/overheating.109238/

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by BoorishBears »

outworlder wrote: post #684
BoorishBears wrote: post #633

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Sooo many people saying this not understanding that tying up 60 thousand dollars in a depreciating asset in one go when interest rates are hovering a little above 2% shows a certain level of financial illiteracy that is not conducive to getting good returns on your money.

If 'finantial literacy' is an issue, why would these people (or anyone else for that matter) buy a new car? They are taking the massive first year depreciation hit.

People parrot this too, someone has to buy new cars for old cars to exist.

Buying a new car lets you take advantage of warranties, free maintenance on some brands, having new tech years ahead of what’s otherwise availble (if you’re interested in that), not worrying about a questionable history (I’ve seen cars seriously damaged by driving habits in hundreds of miles of driving by abuse), and a myriad of other factors.

At the end of the day money is not just for hoarding. You can want to buy a new car as a treat, or a reward, and still do it a financial literate way.

Financial literacy != only spending money in the most utilitarian and minimal way possible, otherwise we’d all eat rice and legumes and live in shoeboxes to show how “financially literate” we are.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by BoorishBears »

viscanti wrote: post #649
BoorishBears wrote: post #136

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“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…

How often are vehicles returned before zero payments? It sounds like you had that case on a vehicle before this where presumably you could have test drove the car. This move makes sense to me. They're able to shave off thousands of dollars for each buyer. Presumably most people aren't returning cars immediately or if they really care about checking the car they rent one for a day instead of the limited test drive fro…

The car was 400 miles away. I had the check in hand when I went down to see it and it wasn’t as described simple enough.

You’re essentially saying people should fork out hundreds to test drive a Tesla (that’s the going rate for rentals unless you’re saying they hunt down someone to just give them a car) or buy it sight unseen, neither of which is reasonable for a mainstream buyer when you start talking about the “affordable” Model 3 this change supposedly allows.

I also don’t get what you mean by buyers saving a couple of thousand. They’re still paying delivery fees and such.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

olyjohn wrote: post #682
MPSimmons wrote: post #521

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When you buy a laptop from HP, do you negotiate with the web form? If you went into an HP store (assuming there was one), would you negotiate with them there? This doesn't make sense to me.

When we make large purchases from HP, Dell, Microsoft, you're damn right we negotiate the rates and get discounts. If you're making a purchase that is a large percentage of your budget, you'd be stupid to not try. When you're buying one laptop, of course not. You're talking a $3000 purchase vs a $40,000+ purchase. You negotiate on cars, because getting a thousand or two off is a huge deal for a lot of people. The "No…

Don't you think it's silly that paying sticker price is considered paying extra?

Haggling is stupid. Cars are usually overpriced because the expectation of haggling is priced in. I'd rather Tesla put a $35K price tag on their Model 3 knowing that's exactly what I'll pay than put a $38K tag knowing that I'll try to haggle it down to $35k.

A random citizen buying a single car isn't comparable to a corporation negotiating a volume discount.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #586
chrisseaton wrote: post #397

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How else would you deliver a car? Not sure what point you're trying to make?

There's something intangible about being the first to drive a new car. Doesn't make any logical sense, but there is.

You will never be the first driver of a car, even if it comes straight from the factory to your front door. Every car gets test driven after assembly before it gets sent out, though they might not have the odometer turned on.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

BoorishBears wrote: post #705
outworlder wrote: post #684

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If 'finantial literacy' is an issue, why would these people (or anyone else for that matter) buy a new car? They are taking the massive first year depreciation hit.

People parrot this too, someone has to buy new cars for old cars to exist. Buying a new car lets you take advantage of warranties, free maintenance on some brands, having new tech years ahead of what’s otherwise availble (if you’re interested in that), not worrying about a questionable history (I’ve seen cars seriously damaged by driving habits in hundreds of miles of driving by abuse), and a myriad of other factors.…

> not worrying about a questionable history (I’ve seen cars seriously damaged by driving habits in hundreds of miles of driving by abuse)

This is especially true with sports cars.

At one point I was considering buying a Nissan GT-R. I could get a brand new one for $120K, or a 5 year old one with 35k miles for a hair under $70k. You'd think the used one is a no brainer! But we're talking a car with ~550 horsepower, something someone could quite likely have been taking to a race track on a regular basis, putting untold amounts of wear on the engine and drive train.

I admit $50k is a lot to pay for peace of mind, but when you're like me and own a car until it dies, I like to know how it's been treated, and being the only owner is the only way to know that.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

lsc wrote: post #551
jakobegger wrote: post #544

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My experience with test drives is that you immediately know if you like the car or not. Reviews have never really made sense to me, most reviewers seem to talk about stuff I just don't care about. The only problem is that dealers usually only have cars with the most popular engines available, so you often can't actually try the car you want to buy...

Interesting. My experience is that if I want some idea of how I'll feel about the car in a year, a test drive of less than a week gives me almost no data. Personally? yeah, I think renting a car is the way to go, if you want to evaluate how you will feel about the car later. A 20 minute test drive, to me, is like laying on a mattress for 20 minutes in a store and expecting to know what it will feel like to sleep on.

I feel the same. I’ve had stronger urges to buy a car I rented than one I test drive for 10 minutes. You just never get the same level of familiarity, the little quirks and knowing how your body feels after an extended multi-day drive if you simply test drive at dealer. I like to have my cars for a week at the minimum before I can confidently form a strong opinion in regards to purchase.
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