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Truck?
Put the car on a truck and then drive the truck? Might as well just drive the car?
And increase risk of road damage/wear in transit, which likely wouldn't be caught on initial inspection during handover.
$35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…
Maybe don't take out a 60K loan for a luxury item? I understand a car is essential for some people, but 60K is a very expensive one.
You’re like the 3rd person to say this and I have to assume you’re not that good with money if you think tying up 60 thousand dollars in a car when interest rates are at 2 percent makes sense.
There’s a level of financial knowledge that’s just dangerous enough to hurt you, and I’d say this is it.
Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…
Pay in cash? I find it hard to argue for getting a car loan when the car's value is above a certain amount. Certainly if the car provides value greater than it is worth (i.e., ability to provide mobility to/from employment location) but a Tesla is more in the "luxury" category.
Sooo many people saying this not understanding that tying up 60 thousand dollars in a depreciating asset in one go when interest rates are hovering a little above 2% shows a certain level of financial illiteracy that is not conducive to getting good returns on your money.
Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
#634Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…
> If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Why is it supposed to be easy? If it were easy you'd have too many people buying a car "for the weekend", costing the company money and driving up prices for everyone.
Thats literally what Tesla is saying you should do.
Like to the tee, they literally use the example of taking the car out with your friends on a road trip as a test drive.
Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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I don’t get it - asking ‘can you reduce line item n by x’ is exactly the same thing as ‘can you reduce the bottom line by x’, except the former asks them to do something they may not be able to do (that’s how this conversation started - the delivery fee) and the latter lets them achieve what you want any way they’re able to. So why would you ever use the former approach? It’s strictly worse.
> I don’t get it - asking ‘can you reduce line item n by x’ is exactly the same thing as ‘can you reduce the bottom line by x’ "Can you reduce bottom line by x" is like saying, "the documentation is a bit vague, can you improve it please?" "Can you reduce line item n by x" is like saying, "there's no way the user could possibly intuit that the sampling period may be truncated to precisely hit the target value after t…
Just look at the total-cost-of-ownership. As long as I can afford the down payment and I can afford the monthly payment then I just want to reduce the total-cost-of-ownership for the car I want. In other words I want the dealer to optimise for that variable and as long as they meet my constraint for affording the down and monthly payments then I don't care how those vary as long as the optimisation goal is met.
Line itemisation is very silly for cars. All I need to know is how much does it cost me to get the car. I don't care that some of that money goes to person A and some of it to person B. Irrelevant to me!
Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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I drove a Model S. None of my cars is a Model S. I remember the “salesperson” talking about how quiet it was as wind noise whistled through the cabin like we were in a Corolla. The A4 I was driving at the time was immensely quieter at highway speeds but I nodded and played along. I’m convinced the aspirational status of Teslas means people who haven’t experienced actual luxury vechicles are buying into the hype that…
>I remember the “salesperson” talking about how quiet it was as wind noise whistled through the cabin like we were in a Corolla. One slightly weird thing is that because there is no engine noise (other than a slight whine on heavy acceleration) all those other road noises become more noticeable and it seems noisier. I agree with the luxury vehicle thing, especially on the S. Mine had the seal between the window and t…
And you know, for a car/technology company I find it odd they don't do any sort of active noise cancellation. Especially when they pin themselves on making luxury electric cars.
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That’s not always the case. It depends on the luxury car. I visited a Masarati dealer, and their selling point against a Model S was that the engine was loud. (“You want a car that that sounds like a car. You want to hear that purr and and feel that rumble. You can’t get that with a Tesla.”) Same thing happens with luxury sports cars. I test drive Ann F-Type, and the damn thing comes a button to make your car louder…
Those are sports cars. They don't compete with a Model 3 or Model S. They compete with the Tesla Roadster. Have you ever been in one? You can't hear each other at all it's so loud.
Good thing there's an "inactive exhaust" function.
Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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I have a Q7, $20k cheaper than the X and far nicer; Tesla can’t even get CarPlay. If I am paying $100k+ for a car and it has less connectivity to my devices than a KIA, that’s a problem. During the time I own the Q7, the gasoline expense isn’t going to exceed the markup for the X. I like Musk’s vision, but Teslas are the Honda Civic of the Silicon Valley crowd.
But you’re part of the problem, not part of the solution so... but yeah the Q7 is nice. BTW no problems whatsoever with device connectivity with the Model 3. And the X is a moving target; it’s improved all the time so past experience does not indicate the current situation.
Buying overpriced luxury cars ICE or EV is not making anyone part of any solution.
If you want to be part of the solution go find an old, safe, (it’s 2019, a 10 year old car can finally in the “modern era” of safety, AEB and all) vehicle that has amortized the insane ecological costs required to make a new car
Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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I drove a Model S. None of my cars is a Model S. I remember the “salesperson” talking about how quiet it was as wind noise whistled through the cabin like we were in a Corolla. The A4 I was driving at the time was immensely quieter at highway speeds but I nodded and played along. I’m convinced the aspirational status of Teslas means people who haven’t experienced actual luxury vechicles are buying into the hype that…
What year of Model S did you test drive?
This is a couple of years back so I don’t recall anymore but...
What do you mean year, Teslas don’t have model years because you’re always getting the most improved car
-Tesla “salesperson”
Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now
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> ... [to] borrow money to buy _a car_ is a huge red flag ... Hi Jeff Just a polite reminder that a) there's nothing wrong with financing, it's essential to the buildup of the US and b) the average US citizen doesn't have the same income distribution that the average HN reader does. The median price of a car in the us is $35K [1] and the median household income is $59k [2]; For most families in the US the car is abso…
Not to counter you, but why would a low-income household consider buying a new car? A properly maintained ten year old car these days is normally quite reliable and safe.
They would not. When I was a teen, my parents had a joint income of just about $100k (definitely not low-income). When I began working, I got their hand-me-down '97 Accord. Bought for $3000 in '04, the car lasted 8 years before we sold it for $1500.
Great value for money, and it had a relatively classic look that belied its price. That's the kind of car I intend to buy again in the future.