$35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now • Hacker News Board

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by MPSimmons » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:44 AM UTC

donarb wrote: post #404

almost_usual wrote: post #359

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"This is 2019," he said. "People want to buy things online." But he added that franchise-dealer opposition would be a violation of interstate commerce, and that is unconstitutional. "Good luck with that," Musk said. Sounds like Musk likes to pick and choose the laws he follows. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-is-eliminating-most-of...

Middlemen help you buy a car from competing dealers. Buying only from Tesla means you can’t negotiate for a better price.

When you buy a laptop from HP, do you negotiate with the web form? If you went into an HP store (assuming there was one), would you negotiate with them there?

This doesn't make sense to me.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by gsich » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:44 AM UTC

gcbw2 wrote: post #177

Dylan16807 wrote: post #153

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This is very good advice to keep in mind, but it's not Tesla's fault if the credit reporting agencies are terrible.

Does it matter to the victim who is at fault? ...also, there's a $1,200 delivery fee. Is this the new "restock fee"? it is conveniently left out of the marketing materials.

Yes it does, at least on HN.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by xedeon » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:44 AM UTC

steelframe wrote: post #485

Current Tesla Model X owner. Wanted to replace our other car (ICE) with an EV. Sat in the Model 3 for exactly 15 seconds before I said, "Nope!" Never warmed up to the whole "must hit GUI elements on an LCD with my finger while driving" thing Tesla has going on for almost anything you want to do: A/C, headlights, suspension height, whatever. Interior is still second-rate. Steering column adjustment was a joke. The int…

I'm curious about your reasoning for going with the Jag. Never had an issue with bluetooth on our Model S/X. The X with the tow package made it very utilitarian and practical. Not to mention the ease and convenience when it comes to child/baby seats.

Moreover, the I-PACE however is an engineering disaster. They did not develop the motor/inverter/aero enough and wastes power. They ended up needing a bigger battery to make the thing work, costing more yet giving horrible range... Even a Model X from 2016 is much more efficient.

Model X vs I-PACE vs Audi e-tron

Model X wins by far. @120km/h Tesla is 23% more efficient than the e-tron.

Model X - 24.8 kWh/100 km (39.9 kWh/100mi)

E-Tron - 30.5 kWh/100 km (49.1 kWh/100mi)

I-Pace - 31.3 kWh/100 km (50,37 kWh/100mi)

Source: https://nextmove.de/autobahn-test-tesla-model-x-beats-audi-e...

It's interesting to also note that the Tesla Model X is the largest of the 3, and still is more efficient.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by dave1619 » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:46 AM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #262

natch wrote: post #191

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Once you drive it, you are not going to want to return it, so all this is moot for most people.

One of the reasons I will likely never own a Tesla is because I have driven all of them...including the limited edition Roadster (courtesy of an old boss that liked collecting fast, shiny things). Other than the impressive acceleration, the handling and ride other ride tangibles of every Tesla model is below-average for both its price point and its class.

Handling below average on a Model 3? Really?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by MPSimmons » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:48 AM UTC

gscott wrote: post #499

BoorishBears wrote: post #176

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I think they both deserve credit, in reality returning a 30 thousand dollar object is never going to be smooth. The finance has already written you a check, they’ve already done all this leg work. You’ve already driven it, if you’re purchasing it in earnest you might have already invested in charging infrastructure for your home, a whole laundry list of friction. Then there’s what happens to the car you returned. I w…

They probably just reset the miles to zero. No one would know.

That is illegal.

https://www.dmv.org/vehicle-history/odometer-fraud.php

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by ghaff » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:49 AM UTC

sjwright wrote: post #507

donarb wrote: post #404

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Middlemen help you buy a car from competing dealers. Buying only from Tesla means you can’t negotiate for a better price.

I always thought it was weird that we negotiate a price with new car purchases. I do negotiate hard on my cars (and on behalf of family) and I hate the process. It's stupid. I'd much rather the manufacturer nominate a fixed price and not allow any negotiation at all. Then the manufacturer would be forced to pick a price that competes with the market. There are only a few things that excite me more about a Model 3 tha…

There are no haggle dealers and have been no haggle brands from time to time. One problem is that the people who like and think of themselves as driving a hard bargain don’t like the inability to do so

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by MPSimmons » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:49 AM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #251

natch wrote: post #191

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Once you drive it, you are not going to want to return it, so all this is moot for most people.

I drove a Model S. None of my cars is a Model S. I remember the “salesperson” talking about how quiet it was as wind noise whistled through the cabin like we were in a Corolla. The A4 I was driving at the time was immensely quieter at highway speeds but I nodded and played along. I’m convinced the aspirational status of Teslas means people who haven’t experienced actual luxury vechicles are buying into the hype that…

I agree with the luxury statement.

I tell people that the parts of the car that make it a car are excellent, and the parts of the car that make it luxury need some help. That being said, I've bought two Teslas so far with absolutely no regrets.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by dawnerd » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:51 AM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #439

jumelles wrote: post #411

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Wait, Teslas don't have either of those...?

Nope. Even Bluetooth audio is pretty basic (can't browse folders on your phone from the console). People say there is no need for carplay because the cars built in stuff is so much better, but I'd bet that in 10 years time, the console will stop receiving updates, but phones will keep getting better...

I've tried arguing with people about it and you get the usual from Tesla fanboys from it's way better to theres no way they could put carplay/android auto on the interface. It's nonsense, really. I want to use my phone with its interface. Rest of the car I'm sold on but that's a real pain point for me they need to work out.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by MPSimmons » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:53 AM UTC

jeffparsons wrote: post #377

BoorishBears wrote: post #136

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“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…

> "financing for a car" ... "ding your credit score" To my mind the mere fact that someone would borrow money at all to buy _a car_ is a huge red flag against their creditworthiness / financial responsibility. But I keep reading online that people who otherwise seem pretty sensible do this as a matter of course. Is it possible that living in a city with functioning public transport has sheltered me to the point of na…

> Is it possible that living in a city with functioning public transport has sheltered me to the point of naivety?

Yeah, I think so. Financing is pretty much standard in America when you make the decision to buy a new vehicle (and many times, when buying a used vehicle).

The median amount American citizens have in savings is just over $5k:

https://smartasset.com/checking-account/savings-account-aver...

Not awesome.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by cyptus » Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 6:54 AM UTC

BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #37

"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…

you are lucky with two months. in germany it took me over 2.5 years with a lawsuit to return a new car which did had a water lack also after 3 repairs.