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Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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At least they acknowledged it, responded to the feedback and fixed it. Unfortunately I have a Sonos system which became effectively bricked unless I signed a new user agreement allowing the collection of data. There are no physical controls on Sonos so the system becomes useless without accepting. They used to sell dedicated controllers/remotes years ago but these were also bricked as part of an upgrade about a year…

> by having it run on a disconnected network This is only a temporary solution to the problem of devices phoning home against your wishes (or knowledge). The "system-on-a-chip" CPUs used in embedded ("smart") devices with an integrated cellular (LTE/etc) modem have existed for years[1]. The hardware that can simply bypass your local network and phone home over the cellular network already exists. The people that want…

> when someone finally negotiates with the carriers for some sort of low-priority/off-peak access they can use to batch-upload their eavesdropping ("analytics").

I can happily confirm that Canada’s telecom oligopoly will never allow such a thing to happen.

Discounts for off-peak cellular data? Bwahahahahahaha

Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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When Slacker Radio decided it wanted my contact list, out it went. Sorry, but that information is NOT YOURS.

These days, if any important-to-me app is slated to be updated, I first run a backup in case ridiculous permission demands, feature removal, or other such f*ckery comes with the update.

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> I store anonymous metrics that I use to gauge usage levels How valuable has that data proven to be? Is it worth collecting?

It tells me which features I should invest more time in getting right and handled edge cases and which features nobody but me uses and so it’s not worth the extra effort. I only have so much time!

Is it opt-in?

Has spying on your customers revealed any surprises?

Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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At least they acknowledged it, responded to the feedback and fixed it. Unfortunately I have a Sonos system which became effectively bricked unless I signed a new user agreement allowing the collection of data. There are no physical controls on Sonos so the system becomes useless without accepting. They used to sell dedicated controllers/remotes years ago but these were also bricked as part of an upgrade about a year…

It is such an outrage that it is now just taken for granted that your hardware and software will be remotely attacked by the manufacturer. It doesn't even raise eyebrows anymore.

And looking at the Sonos debacle, I don't think they realize how damaging it is to their brand to just make their devices die every so often. Why not just save money and get something that is unreliable because it is cheap and poorly engineered?

Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> by having it run on a disconnected network This is only a temporary solution to the problem of devices phoning home against your wishes (or knowledge). The "system-on-a-chip" CPUs used in embedded ("smart") devices with an integrated cellular (LTE/etc) modem have existed for years[1]. The hardware that can simply bypass your local network and phone home over the cellular network already exists. The people that want…

> The hardware that can simply bypass your local network and phone home over the cellular network already exists. Wouldn't such a thing require an antenna that you could remove or disable to function? Speaking of... is there a more effective way to disable a cellular modem than removing its antenna? Like some kind of component that you could replace the antenna with that would mitigate any residual antenna-function o…

Just strategizing: a wired in jammer should work.

Or a micro-wireless jammer that’s so weak, it wouldn’t even disrupt anything outside of what it’s built into.

Even if you can’t block the outgoing signal, you’ll disrupt the incoming signal and prevent any kind of handshake from happening.

Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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I think Google is the culprit here. Not just for wifi scanning, but also for Bluetooth, Google demands location permissions. In last 5 years or so, I have had a Garmin, a Fitbit and now a Garmin watch. I never used to have to enable location with my first Garmin tracker untill I upgraded Android os. After that point onward all my fitness trackers now ask to enable location in order to connect to my phone.

Why does the app need Bluetooth or WiFi scanning permissions? Can't you handle the pairing in the OS and allow the app to use an already established connection?

> Why does the app need Bluetooth or WiFi scanning permissions?

In Android and w/r/t BLE, the OS doesn't provide a user-facing bonding interface. The app has to do it.

Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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> Google, in its wisdom, has tied "Location" into things like BLE Scanning and WiFi scanning. The excuse is that you can use these things as a proxy for location. That is, if I know you are near access point X your location is probably near Y. There’s a reason Apple Maps says “enable WiFi to improve location accuracy”. I’m incredibly annoyed that phones don’t report themselves with randomized Mac addresses. WiFi trac…

> I’m incredibly annoyed that phones don’t report themselves with randomized Mac addresses. WiFi tracking is pervasive. You've got it backwards. The phone isn't being tracked, the phone is the one doing the tracking. The phone is looking at all the wifi APs it can see and then looking those up in a database. Nobody sees the phone's MAC address. It isn't broadcasting anything at all.

Phone probes contain their MAC address. Although the internet tells me iOS 8 did add randomization.

Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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I've found Dropbox to be notorious with this. Their business plan used to be only $150/yr (Fine Print: you pay minimum 3 seats.) That magically changed to five seats at some point and now the $150/yr suddenly shows up as $750/yr auto-renewed and almost impossible to cancel.

How is it impossible to cancel? Are cloud services becoming modern equivalents of gym memberships? Do you have to fax them?

https://pageflows.com/blog/dropbox-downgrades/

Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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At least they acknowledged it, responded to the feedback and fixed it. Unfortunately I have a Sonos system which became effectively bricked unless I signed a new user agreement allowing the collection of data. There are no physical controls on Sonos so the system becomes useless without accepting. They used to sell dedicated controllers/remotes years ago but these were also bricked as part of an upgrade about a year…

It’s the reason I would never buy Sonos. I’d be interested in seeing an EU user give this the GDPR treatment

Re: Why Does My Remote Control Need to Know My Location?

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At least they acknowledged it, responded to the feedback and fixed it. Unfortunately I have a Sonos system which became effectively bricked unless I signed a new user agreement allowing the collection of data. There are no physical controls on Sonos so the system becomes useless without accepting. They used to sell dedicated controllers/remotes years ago but these were also bricked as part of an upgrade about a year…

Sounds like lawmakers need to enforce warnings labels on such products: „works only with sensitive data collection“ or similar.

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