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Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by bad_user »

ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #140
bad_user wrote: post #93

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> Sugar also contributes to fatty liver less than saturated fat I’ve seen multiple studies suggesting otherwise, sugar being in general responsible for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. That assertion will also be difficult to swallow for anybody that ever attempted a Keto diet. I can talk from my own experience with Keto, when I binge ate butter on cheese (aka fat bombs). I did not lose any weight and yet my fatty…

You didn’t lose any weight on keto because you were eating too much. You can still gain weight if you eat 4000 calories worth of spinach.

I know. But no, it’s impossible to eat 4000 calories from spinach :-)

I have a problem with binge eating and I think it is emotional.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by imjustsaying »

pvaldes wrote: post #75
theNJR wrote: post #68

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It’s crazy the number of really smart people who are steadfast in their belief that fruit is good. It’s non-stop propangda starting at birth, direct from the mothers mouth. I wonder where this meme started and why? I cant imagine ‘big fruit’ is that big or sinister.

> It’s crazy the number of really smart people who are steadfast in their belief that fruit is good Is probably because we, humans, had seen before what scurvy can do to the body when you stop eating oranges, fruits and vegetables for just one or two months.

People in general are not making conscious choices to seek out foods that give them vitamin C. Why would they? They don't have to seek out vitamin C and they still won't get scurvy with even a 7/11 or burger king diet.

Significant amounts of vitamin C are in potatoes. People in general don't even know that, so I don't buy the idea that people are generally seeking out foods for their vitamin C value to prevent scurvy.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by coldtea »

ZeroFries wrote: post #37
edoo wrote: post #25

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The problem is the sugar load. No amount of nutritional value can justify it. You can get those nutrients elsewhere without the insulin response.

Except sugar isn't inherently bad for you. Refined sugar isn't great, because it lacks nutrients, but juice doesn't have that problem. Also, juice can improve insulin sensitivity and elicits a lower insulin response than most starches and proteins. The overall effect on glucose and insulin is neutral. Sugar also contributes to fatty liver less than saturated fat, and only does so in the context of a hyper-caloric die…

>Except sugar isn't inherently bad for you. Refined sugar isn't great, because it lacks nutrients, but juice doesn't have that problem.

It's the nutrients to volume to "how easy to gulp a gallon" ration that matters, not merely having nutrients.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by pvaldes »

oska wrote: post #136
pvaldes wrote: post #106

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> most of the time, the oranges are a bit on the tart side, but there are some sweet ones here and there. IDK what makes the difference. Oranges are a type of fruit created twice, so can be split in two big groups: Sweet oranges, the fruit that we eat normally, and sour oranges, often used in landscaping and bitter (being bitter they do not attract vandalism). Sweet oranges include several subgroups also. Some are mo…

Interesting use of the word vandalism.

Well... Trees in the streets have an economic value attached, as any other public property. Damaged trees have to be replaced again and again.

People picking oranges carelessly lead easily to crashed stems, ugly patches of dry foliage and damaged trunks. Fruit in the streets works great for some locations, not so for other ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by pvaldes »

imjustsaying wrote: post #142
pvaldes wrote: post #75

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> It’s crazy the number of really smart people who are steadfast in their belief that fruit is good Is probably because we, humans, had seen before what scurvy can do to the body when you stop eating oranges, fruits and vegetables for just one or two months.

People in general are not making conscious choices to seek out foods that give them vitamin C. Why would they? They don't have to seek out vitamin C and they still won't get scurvy with even a 7/11 or burger king diet. Significant amounts of vitamin C are in potatoes. People in general don't even know that, so I don't buy the idea that people are generally seeking out foods for their vitamin C value to prevent scurvy…

potatoes are vegetables.

The drive to eat a special kind of food sometimes is common to many mammals. Not much different to being thirsty when you are dehydrated. Everybody experience sometimes a "thirst" for salt (in hot areas), sugar, or (in very cold areas) fat. Is a survival mechanism wired in our brain and not uncommon at all.

I bet that we would intuitively seek for foods rich in vitamin C if getting short of it.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by vanderZwan »

fma wrote: post #128
vanderZwan wrote: post #100

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> Maybe me having grown up on American sugary substance, my palate has gotten worse. Serious question: how is your sense of smell?

My smell is pretty good. Taste...meh. Example: Things that my wife feel is salty, like can soup, I don't give a second thought to.

Hmm, well that's quite interesting then, because the ability to notice nuanced flavours should have more to do with the smell of food than whether the taste buds are desensitized or not.

If your sense of smell is still good, it is very likely that you do taste all of these things, and the problem is more one of attention. The simple thing to do is to train that. Simply eating more slowly and trying to focus on what you smell when chewing should already make the flavours noticeable to the brain. It is easier if your nose does not have to "compete for attention" with the other senses, so closing your eyes will help, as will being in a noise-free environment.

As for the taste, if you don't notice salty soup your taste buds are indeed likely t obe desensitized. But even if you "grew up" on food too rich in salt and sugar, that not a permanent thing. You could try a kind of "taste detoxing" month - reducing salt/sugar intake to essentials for a while by setting strict rules to what kinds of sugars are allowed. It's hard for various reasons, but it works - WheezyWaiter made a very entertaining and IMO "neutral" video showing his experience trying it[0].

So you should be able to address both if you want. I recommend it! In general, getting in touch with one's senses is an enriching and fun experience (not just for tasting food).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtslkL5nUA

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by ZeroFries »

coldtea wrote: post #143
ZeroFries wrote: post #37

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Except sugar isn't inherently bad for you. Refined sugar isn't great, because it lacks nutrients, but juice doesn't have that problem. Also, juice can improve insulin sensitivity and elicits a lower insulin response than most starches and proteins. The overall effect on glucose and insulin is neutral. Sugar also contributes to fatty liver less than saturated fat, and only does so in the context of a hyper-caloric die…

> Except sugar isn't inherently bad for you. Refined sugar isn't great, because it lacks nutrients, but juice doesn't have that problem. It's the nutrients to volume to "how easy to gulp a gallon" ration that matters, not merely having nutrients.

The nutrient:calorie ratio is more important than those other metrics you listed. Whey protein shakes are "easy to gulp" but show fairly high satiety ratings, for example. Liver has a very high nutrient:volume ratio and is considered healthy, brocalli has a low nutrient:volume ratio and is considered healthy.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by arcticfox »

yesenadam wrote: post #90
arcticfox wrote: post #23

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Normally I wouldn't want to burst your bubble, but one-upsmanship is a pet peeve of mine. The Valencia orange was developed in California; Floridian Valencia oranges are just as valid.

>Normally I wouldn't want to burst your bubble, but one-upsmanship is a pet peeve of mine. Your comment would have been much more pleasant and no less informative to read without that first sentence. The only "one-upmanship" I detected was yours.

The original posted "I'm fortunate" with a nice story about something they enjoy in life (orange juice from local farmers). Then the other one posted "I'm even more fortunate" and wrote about how their oranges were somehow more authentic. To me, it's the definition of one-upsmanship.

I live two thousand miles away from the nearest orange tree, so I'm not sure how I'm competing with them.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

arcticfox wrote: post #148
yesenadam wrote: post #90

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>Normally I wouldn't want to burst your bubble, but one-upsmanship is a pet peeve of mine. Your comment would have been much more pleasant and no less informative to read without that first sentence. The only "one-upmanship" I detected was yours.

The original posted "I'm fortunate" with a nice story about something they enjoy in life (orange juice from local farmers). Then the other one posted "I'm even more fortunate" and wrote about how their oranges were somehow more authentic. To me, it's the definition of one-upsmanship. I live two thousand miles away from the nearest orange tree, so I'm not sure how I'm competing with them.

Yes, to be honest, I now realize I was a bit of a jerk with that comment. Sorry. And also, nice to learn that the variety doesn't actually come from Valencia!

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #101
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #72

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The usual claim on premium juice is 2 kg orange per 1 l (=1 kg) juice.

Whole oranges? Orange peel / rind probably accounts for a significant portion of the weight of fresh oranges.

Whole oranges, for sure. I can't see how you'd lose 50% mass if you've already discarded the peel/rind.

FWIW, citrus peel is a fairly valuable commodity since it's the raw material for production of limonene, which is a really good and biodegradable degreaser. IIRC it was discovered by NASA searching for a solvent for cleaning the space shuttle.

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