It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…
It’s crazy the number of really smart people who are steadfast in their belief that fruit is good. It’s non-stop propangda starting at birth, direct from the mothers mouth. I wonder where this meme started and why? I cant imagine ‘big fruit’ is that big or sinister.
Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
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#92Maybe me having grown up on American sugary substance, my palate has gotten worse. But my wife, inlaws definitely prefer the fresh one when I do a blind taste test. Me...I'm just like meh, no difference, just get me the box one (which is like 1/3rd the cost). My 2 year old...that's the only one she'd drink. She did not touch the box juice before, and I was surprised she liked the fresh one, and asked for more.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is the sugar load. No amount of nutritional value can justify it. You can get those nutrients elsewhere without the insulin response.
Except sugar isn't inherently bad for you. Refined sugar isn't great, because it lacks nutrients, but juice doesn't have that problem. Also, juice can improve insulin sensitivity and elicits a lower insulin response than most starches and proteins. The overall effect on glucose and insulin is neutral. Sugar also contributes to fatty liver less than saturated fat, and only does so in the context of a hyper-caloric die…
I’ve seen multiple studies suggesting otherwise, sugar being in general responsible for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.
That assertion will also be difficult to swallow for anybody that ever attempted a Keto diet. I can talk from my own experience with Keto, when I binge ate butter on cheese (aka fat bombs). I did not lose any weight and yet my fatty liver was gone after the 3 months I was on it. Also all my liver’s ALT and AST levels are perfect. And I must insist on this point: no weight loss was involved.
Also note that the study you’re linking, with 38 subjects observed for 3 weeks, is statistically insignificant and probably flawed, as small studies tend to be. When changing somebody’s macros, there’s an adaptation period involved and 3 weeks is not enough.
The funny thing about all claims regarding the negative effects of saturated fats is that:
(1) saturated fat was a major caloric source throughout all of human history and yes, we know what humans ate in the Paleolithic
(2) human fat itself is saturated, you know, the one the body starts consuming when hungry
Humans are equipped to efficiently digest saturated fats and starchy plants rich in glucose. Well actually humans only need about 600 calories from carbs, any excess is converted to fat.
Fructose on the other hand is completely unnecessary, when digested it is converted to fat or glucose and it’s toxic in high doses. You can live your whole life without eating another gram of sugar. You can’t say that about saturated fat ;-)
Funny enough you can make the same argument about the other public enemy, salt. You will literally die without enough sodium in your diet and yet the healthcare industry is fixated on vilifying salt, but not sugar. A huge double standard that has no basis in actual science.
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#94Offtopic. I recently bought a juicer. But turns out that after drinking one glass of fresh orange juice, my face turns pale, and I start sweating. It's nothing serious (I hope), but curious if anyone can recognize/explain this phenomenon? I have no such effect when eating large amounts of sugar. And I have no known allergies (recently tested in the hospital for another issue).
… did you ask a doctor about this? You should be asking a doctor about this. Not people like me, who'll tell you this sounds like a potential vitamin overdose or something.
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#95I grew up in the US, but my wife, inlaws did not. I have a daughter, who is only 2. Sams Club started offering juicing at the store last year. You see them fill up a machine w/ oranges and it cuts, grinds, and does whatever...and out comes fresh juice. Maybe me having grown up on American sugary substance, my palate has gotten worse. But my wife, inlaws definitely prefer the fresh one when I do a blind taste test. Me…
I'm an American and I can definitely taste the difference between box juice and fresh-squeezed juice. I think the former still had the "base" flavors; but the latter definitely has a more complicated and pleasant taste, with more "nasal" flavors are totally absent from box juice.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm even more fortunate: I live in Spain so I order Valencia oranges directly from producers in the actual region of Valencia. When not on season, I buy oranges from South Africa or wherever, but I can't stomach the bottled juice. I don't know what flavor pack they use here but it doesn't taste even remotely like the real thing, I'd rather make juice from the worst oranges in the supermarket than drink bottled.
Normally I wouldn't want to burst your bubble, but one-upsmanship is a pet peeve of mine. The Valencia orange was developed in California; Floridian Valencia oranges are just as valid.
When you talk about a Valencia orange in Florida now is often the clone SPB-1-14-19, sligtly hardier than the original tree from California and different also than the Hughes clone if I'm not wrong.
Producer on the other hand is not the same as hybridizer. The original tree was developed in California but is cultured in all suitable areas of the planet. Their patent has expired long time ago
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly - If you eat an apple, you get a modest amount of sugar with some fiber to go with it. The fiber helps slow down the absorption of the sugar and lessens the insulin response. If you drink a big glass of apple juice, you get the sugar load of eating multiple apples and get none of the fiber. It's basically like drinking soda.
How many apples does a persona typically eat in one sitting? How many apples' worth of sugar is in a 8/12/20 ounce serving of juice?
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hear that a lot in the US (never elsewhere), but the only people in bad shape are those who abuse fat food and sodas. I’ve never seen anyone obese from drinking too much fruit juice alone.
"I hear that a lot in the US (never elsewhere), but the only people in bad shape are those who abuse fat food and sodas. I’ve never seen anyone obese from drinking too much fruit juice alone." You need to point your gaze downward. There are a great many children in the US who are given a sippy full of apple juice every waking minute of their lives - and they have the body mass to go with it. I'm sure they all graduat…
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#99The real story here is not that Tropicana is chemically adulterated fruit-derived sugar water produced and stored at industrial scale. The real story is that the USDA lets PepsiCo call this product “juice” even though it’s nutritionally indistinguishable from Coca Cola.
Coca Cola contains caffeine, which oranges decidedly do not.
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#100I grew up in the US, but my wife, inlaws did not. I have a daughter, who is only 2. Sams Club started offering juicing at the store last year. You see them fill up a machine w/ oranges and it cuts, grinds, and does whatever...and out comes fresh juice. Maybe me having grown up on American sugary substance, my palate has gotten worse. But my wife, inlaws definitely prefer the fresh one when I do a blind taste test. Me…
Serious question: how is your sense of smell?