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Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by jvagner »

jartelt wrote: post #35
edoo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the sugar load. No amount of nutritional value can justify it. You can get those nutrients elsewhere without the insulin response.

Exactly - If you eat an apple, you get a modest amount of sugar with some fiber to go with it. The fiber helps slow down the absorption of the sugar and lessens the insulin response. If you drink a big glass of apple juice, you get the sugar load of eating multiple apples and get none of the fiber. It's basically like drinking soda.

How many apples does a persona typically eat in one sitting?

How many apples' worth of sugar is in a 8/12/20 ounce serving of juice?

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by ZeroFries »

edoo wrote: post #34
throwaway415415 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear that a lot in the US (never elsewhere), but the only people in bad shape are those who abuse fat food and sodas. I’ve never seen anyone obese from drinking too much fruit juice alone.

It is not abuse, it is biochemistry. Your body is extremely efficient at absorbing carbs because in nature they only appear mostly encapsulated in fiber which gates their abortion. If you absorb a large amount of sugar your body has to immediately turn it to fat with insulin or you die. This results in a situation where you have met your caloric needs for the day but you will get very hungry again even though you met…

Insulin doesn't turn sugar into fat. It causes cells to uptake nutrients, including glucose, to be used as fuel. Only the liver converts sugar into fat, and the effect is pretty minimal, on the order of a few grams of fat per day (outside of a hyper-caloric diet).

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by evo_9 »

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction.

I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health improvement I've made in recent years.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by edoo »

cheesymuffin wrote: post #40
edoo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not abuse, it is biochemistry. Your body is extremely efficient at absorbing carbs because in nature they only appear mostly encapsulated in fiber which gates their abortion. If you absorb a large amount of sugar your body has to immediately turn it to fat with insulin or you die. This results in a situation where you have met your caloric needs for the day but you will get very hungry again even though you met…

Your post is very well-written, but fructose does not affect insulin. Fructose is absorbed directly in the gut and converted to starch in the liver. I don't want to stop the anti-carb echo chamber, though, because it's helped a lot of people.

High fructose consumption has its own set of health problems. There is still a lot of glucose in fruits. There is usually a large difference in glycemic index for whole/juiced fruits. Soda being mostly high fructose corn syrup still has a tremendous glycemic load.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by ZeroFries »

brianwawok wrote: post #38
monetus wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that that is because refined sugar is absorbed in a different manner than the sugar in juice. Just speculation though.

You can "prove" this by looking at the glycemic index. Glycemic index is not a napkin math thing, its done by making people eat or drink something and watching what their blood sugar does. A raw orange is 31-40. Orange juice is 46-54. Coca-cola is 63. I think juice may be a _LITTLE_ better than soda. I still choose to drink neither, and think I am better off for it.

Right, fruit > juice > soda, and the gap between juice and soda is as high or higher than the gap between fruit and juice. To say juice is only a little better than fruit is to say fruit is only a little better than juice. If you have access to fresh fruit, great, but not everyone does and having juice might be better than no fruit products at all.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by projektfu »

If you can get your hands on a pineapple orange, they are truly Florida’s finest IMHO. Also they were synonymous with juice oranges in earlier times before they switched to Valencia oranges. Unfortunately the trees are very susceptible to disease, or so I hear.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by rsync »

throwaway415415 wrote: post #28
edoo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the sugar load. No amount of nutritional value can justify it. You can get those nutrients elsewhere without the insulin response.

I hear that a lot in the US (never elsewhere), but the only people in bad shape are those who abuse fat food and sodas. I’ve never seen anyone obese from drinking too much fruit juice alone.

"I hear that a lot in the US (never elsewhere), but the only people in bad shape are those who abuse fat food and sodas. I’ve never seen anyone obese from drinking too much fruit juice alone."

You need to point your gaze downward. There are a great many children in the US who are given a sippy full of apple juice every waking minute of their lives - and they have the body mass to go with it. I'm sure they all graduate to soda or "sports drinks" by the time they're in your field of view.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by cheesymuffin »

ZeroFries wrote: post #42
edoo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not abuse, it is biochemistry. Your body is extremely efficient at absorbing carbs because in nature they only appear mostly encapsulated in fiber which gates their abortion. If you absorb a large amount of sugar your body has to immediately turn it to fat with insulin or you die. This results in a situation where you have met your caloric needs for the day but you will get very hungry again even though you met…

Insulin doesn't turn sugar into fat. It causes cells to uptake nutrients, including glucose, to be used as fuel. Only the liver converts sugar into fat, and the effect is pretty minimal, on the order of a few grams of fat per day (outside of a hyper-caloric diet).

Lipogenesis does not only occur in the liver. Lipogenesis occurs in adipose cells as well, and insulin stimulates this process.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by rsync »

brianwawok wrote: post #38
monetus wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that that is because refined sugar is absorbed in a different manner than the sugar in juice. Just speculation though.

You can "prove" this by looking at the glycemic index. Glycemic index is not a napkin math thing, its done by making people eat or drink something and watching what their blood sugar does. A raw orange is 31-40. Orange juice is 46-54. Coca-cola is 63. I think juice may be a _LITTLE_ better than soda. I still choose to drink neither, and think I am better off for it.

"I think juice may be a _LITTLE_ better than soda. I still choose to drink neither, and think I am better off for it."

You're making a very good choice. I would encourage you and others to consider the raw oranges 31-40 GI as, itself, very high and akin to something like dessert or a special treat.

Or, to expand on what a child of your post expressed:

soda < juice < fruit < ... < ... < vegetables/nuts

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by rsync »

throwaway415415 wrote: post #27
WiseWeasel wrote: post #3

(2009), and doesn’t seem to differentiate flash-pasteurized options like Odwalla and Costco’s brand, which have a taste much closer to fresh-squeezed. I’m guessing those products omit the deoxygenation and flavor enhancement described.

Didn’t someone died drinking odwalla because of exactly this?

"Following the E.coli outbreak, an outbreak that was caused by Odwalla not following proper sanitary procedures that caused the death of at least one child, Odwalla adopted flash pasteurization and other sanitization procedures."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odwalla

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