If you haven't tried fresh carrot juice, you don't know what you're missing.
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Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
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Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
> For most of us vitamins is rarely a problem.. so if we ignored that. What are you basing that on? > Then do we have any studies to suggest soda contains "bad" stuff that juice doesn't Probably. Look at a few labels of various sodas. You'll often find things like phosphoric acid, artificial colours, artificial preservatives, caffeine, artificial sweeteners etc. Are these the worse things in the world? Probably not.…
> Look at a few labels of various sodas. You'll often find things like phosphoric acid, artificial colours, artificial preservatives, caffeine, artificial sweeteners etc. This is still just the Natural = Good, Artificial = Bad fallacy. You can't just list some stuff with chemically sounding names and say "look - scary bad chemicals!". What specifically are you claiming is bad? You went from "soda has other bad things…
> You can't just list some stuff with chemically sounding names and say "look - scary bad chemicals!"
I didn't say "look - scary bad chemicals!", you did.
> What specifically are you claiming is bad?
I provided a non-exhaustive list of things previously. You seem aware of that, so I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. If the list isn't specific enough, what were you looking for?
> You went from "soda has other bad things in it" to "probably, possibly, maybe" as soon as you had to be more specific.
Sure. I usually don't speak in definite terms - especially when I haven't looked up things of this nature and studies of these particular ingredients for years - probably over a decade. So I'm going off memory.
Feel free to research various ingredients in soda that fall under the categories I've listed (and beyond) and refute them being bad with data. Otherwise, you just aren't being very specific
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> This is still just the Natural = Good, Artificial = Bad fallacy
To be clear, I am not making that argument. I do not believe this, and this is a miscategorization of my point.
Soda is not equally as healthy/the same as juice. Whether marginally, or not, my point is that juice is healthier than soda
Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#133It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…
It’s crazy the number of really smart people who are steadfast in their belief that fruit is good. It’s non-stop propangda starting at birth, direct from the mothers mouth. I wonder where this meme started and why? I cant imagine ‘big fruit’ is that big or sinister.
> I cant imagine ‘big fruit’ is that big or sinister.
Are you familiar with the phrase “banana republic” and it's origin?
Big fruit is, historically, not any less sinister than big oil, and, while less influential, powerful enough to be a major international force, and drive wars and major power policy.
Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#134Good advice, as far as it goes:
>try something new for breakfast: a whole Florida Valencia orange ...
Usual way to do this is to slice into wedges and bite against the inside of the peel, leaving much of the pulp attached.
An easier, less wasteful way: Using a sharp, heavy knife, slice patches off both stem and blossom ends, down to the pulp. Halve along the equator and lay equator-side down on a cutting board. Now "shave" off patches of the peel with short downward strokes, rotating the orange half frequently to maintain an easy cutting angle.
Finish by cutting into bite-size pieces, and grab yourself a fork. Squeeze a fresh Key lime over the top, for extra flavor complexity.
Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#135> But Navels have a lackluster flavor compared to the Valencia I disagree with that. Valencia was a good old variety from the 'blancas' group of oranges, but is not the best variety. There are even better Valencia oranges (the newer "Valencia seedless " delta and midnight varieties for example). And many navels score higher for taste also than Valencia.
Yes, where I'm from (Australia) navel oranges are considered the premium eating orange.
Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
interesting. in SoCal there are a lot of urban citrus trees growing amongst the houses and apartments, including Valencia oranges. most of the time, the oranges are a bit on the tart side, but there are some sweet ones here and there. IDK what makes the difference. maybe sun exposure on the tree, or more cold weather in a given year. in any case, i'm surprised at how many go to waste. ... which leads to my question:…
> most of the time, the oranges are a bit on the tart side, but there are some sweet ones here and there. IDK what makes the difference. Oranges are a type of fruit created twice, so can be split in two big groups: Sweet oranges, the fruit that we eat normally, and sour oranges, often used in landscaping and bitter (being bitter they do not attract vandalism). Sweet oranges include several subgroups also. Some are mo…
Interesting use of the word vandalism.
Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Look at a few labels of various sodas. You'll often find things like phosphoric acid, artificial colours, artificial preservatives, caffeine, artificial sweeteners etc. This is still just the Natural = Good, Artificial = Bad fallacy. You can't just list some stuff with chemically sounding names and say "look - scary bad chemicals!". What specifically are you claiming is bad? You went from "soda has other bad things…
> You can't just list some stuff with chemically sounding names and say "look - scary bad chemicals!" I didn't say "look - scary bad chemicals!", you did. > What specifically are you claiming is bad? I provided a non-exhaustive list of things previously. You seem aware of that, so I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. If the list isn't specific enough, what were you looking for? > You went from "soda has other…
I asked what you were claiming was bad because I can't find any evidence that any of the things you listed are bad, the worst thing I can think of is the addictive properties of caffeine.
> Soda is not equally as healthy/the same as juice. Whether marginally, or not, my point is that juice is healthier than soda
I said almost, there is of course some tiny amount of dietary fiber in orange juice, and vitamin C (which would only have an effect if you were deficient). The downsides due to the large amount of sugar, and acid on your teeth would be roughly the same for both.
> what were you looking for? "artificial colours, artificial preservatives, artificial sweeteners"
Which ones? Your repeated use of the word artificial is why I believe you are succumbing to the "artificial = bad" fallacy.
> "phosphoric acid" From Wikipedia: "Products such as soft drinks that contain phosphoric acid pose no threat to human health in general."
I'm not going to do any more research than this, I only have so much energy for internet comment arguments, but feel free to provide justification for your claims.
I'm very tempted to invoke Hitchens Razor here.
Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can't just list some stuff with chemically sounding names and say "look - scary bad chemicals!" I didn't say "look - scary bad chemicals!", you did. > What specifically are you claiming is bad? I provided a non-exhaustive list of things previously. You seem aware of that, so I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. If the list isn't specific enough, what were you looking for? > You went from "soda has other…
I asked what you were claiming was bad because I can't find any evidence that any of the things you listed are bad, the worst thing I can think of is the addictive properties of caffeine. > Soda is not equally as healthy/the same as juice. Whether marginally, or not, my point is that juice is healthier than soda I said almost, there is of course some tiny amount of dietary fiber in orange juice, and vitamin C (which…
> Which ones? Your repeated use of the word artificial is why I believe you are succumbing to the "artificial = bad" fallacy.
I opted to generalize in those instances. As there are a multitude of artificial colours/preservatives/sweeteners used in the soda industry.
Sure I could have said E150d/E102 instead of artificial colours. Or sodium benzoate/etda instead of artificial preservatives. Or acesulfame potassium/sucralose instead of artificial sweeteners.
However, someone could then point out "well X mainstream soda I drink doesn't have all those". Which could be accurate, as the formulas and ingredients of sodas vary.
However, the vast majority of mainstream sodas use at least one of those _types_ of ingredients.
Listing them all out felt unnecessary, I assumed the reader would have heard of or seen an example(s) of each/some and understand my point.
There are a few others per category that are widely used in the soda industry, so it would be a decently long list - to the point where such a list would likely detract from the point (or not, from your perspective)
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> "phosphoric acid" From Wikipedia: "Products such as soft drinks that contain phosphoric acid pose no threat to human health in general."
Phosphoric acid has been linked to kidney stones and osteoporosis. Does that mean everyone who drinks a coke will get a kidney stone and break their limbs? No.
If you could avoid drinking a coke/mountain dew every morning and have fruit juice instead, would you live a radically healthier life? Probably not, but it's healthier.
As I have mentioned earlier, it could just be marginally, but I think it's quite strange to suggest they are equally as heathy/bad as each other - which you appear to support
Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that soda has other things in it that are bad and aren't called sugar. And juice still has many vitamins and minerals retained. I get what you're saying, and I'm not claiming juice is healthy. But it's certainly heathier than soda. Whole fruit is, of course, far healthier than juice
For most of us vitamins is rarely a problem.. so if we ignored that. Then do we have any studies to suggest soda contains "bad" stuff that juice doesn't.. I feel like we often associated natural things with being healthy, without necessary justification :)
Do you know what dietary fiber is?
Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except sugar isn't inherently bad for you. Refined sugar isn't great, because it lacks nutrients, but juice doesn't have that problem. Also, juice can improve insulin sensitivity and elicits a lower insulin response than most starches and proteins. The overall effect on glucose and insulin is neutral. Sugar also contributes to fatty liver less than saturated fat, and only does so in the context of a hyper-caloric die…
> Sugar also contributes to fatty liver less than saturated fat I’ve seen multiple studies suggesting otherwise, sugar being in general responsible for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. That assertion will also be difficult to swallow for anybody that ever attempted a Keto diet. I can talk from my own experience with Keto, when I binge ate butter on cheese (aka fat bombs). I did not lose any weight and yet my fatty…
You didn’t lose any weight on keto because you were eating too much. You can still gain weight if you eat 4000 calories worth of spinach.