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Elegant: (of a scientific theory or solution to a problem) pleasingly ingenious and simple. I'm not implying any of the characteristics you think I am. Capitalism is simple and effective, and IMO beautiful in the way it works at a systemic level. That doesn't mean nobody gets left behind, not by a long shot. You know what else has been an elegant an unmatched algorithm/system for making life better? Evolution. In all…

Hmm, I see what you're saying, but many would argue that evolution is not particularly elegant, in fact rather crude. However let's go with your assumption anyway. I still don't think present-day capitalism works elegantly, the quite regular boom-bust cyclest are a testament of that. It "works" because it has to, when it doesn't we do bailouts and then it "works" again etc. in other words anything works if a society…

Some would say it works in spite of our interjections, not because of them. If we didn't bail out bad actors, they'd likely go bankrupt and the system would work around them. I'm not saying there's no pain involved. In fact, there can be quite a bit for individuals. But at the system level, there's a reason capitalism had beaten out any other competing economic system, from the industrial to the information age.

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Oh, and as for student debt, maybe it's possible that a human economic system where nobody has to do grunt work, heavy lifting, manual labor, or exist lower on a hierarchy than anybody else is completely unsustainable. In fact, I question why anyone _would_ think that would be sustainable.

Except that's not what am advocating for. Predatory capitalism or sci-fi communism aren't the only two possibilities. Your comment is absolutely irrelevant.

Just because you don't see how something is relevant doesn't mean it actually is irrelevant.

What I'm saying is, we've built a culture and society where it's expected that everyone should have access to higher education, and so families go into debt to achieve it. In reality, our economy will get completely hollowed out if everybody is in debt for higher education, the jobs to support all that debt don't exist, and meanwhile plenty of jobs (trades, manual labor, service) go unfulfilled because nobody wants them. This isn't science fiction, it's what's happening now.

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I was about to write an whole comment about how Violet Blue's perspective wasn't matched with reality. But you hit the main point dead on. I feel that her perspective is not very sympathetic to the average couple nor is it relatable with the average corporation. It hasn't been in the past and it isn't now. The closest that she can get to what she's asking for is Fetlife.

there is no such thing as the "average couple" when it comes to bedroom stuff. not even in the US. of course the new direction is worrying, but in the end porn always wins, it has won in the past after all. james joyce, larry flint, this list goes on...

Porn does not reflect the actual behaviors of people. Porn is bascially the candy of sex. Taboo-ness, and fantasy is a big part of what that caters.

When I say average I mean the biggest general cluster of sexual behavior.

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Ok, but if you toss lit matches at a petrol station, it doesn't much matter what your reasoning was. The important thing is the effect.

What you are suggesting is that I have to behave politically correct, a form of effective self-censorship, because of the outcome while completely ignoring intellectual curiosity. This is interesting because in the HN guildelines you cited, it specifically says: "Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity, and we ban accounts that do it." So how is…

Of course I'm not suggesting that.

If you dive into "SJW" and "the communist movement" and whatnot, you're doing ideological battle, and that's what we don't want here—not because we could care less about political correctness, but because it's predictable and tedious. And it consistently leads to worse. There's no intellectual curiosity in that, so please don't post any more of it here.

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Except that's not what am advocating for. Predatory capitalism or sci-fi communism aren't the only two possibilities. Your comment is absolutely irrelevant.

Just because you don't see how something is relevant doesn't mean it actually is irrelevant. What I'm saying is, we've built a culture and society where it's expected that everyone should have access to higher education, and so families go into debt to achieve it. In reality, our economy will get completely hollowed out if everybody is in debt for higher education, the jobs to support all that debt don't exist, and m…

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps more and more people want to get into higher education, because the manual jobs don't pay what they used to?, (wages have not generally kept up with inflation and productivity rises). You know when the higher education option was also free to boot?

I know right?

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That's the real story here - payment processors and the US gov are policing morality by making it impossible to run a for-profit NSFW business: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/payment-processors-are... Tumblr and similar sites are just a casualty of monopolistic payment processors doing the bidding of the government. IMO - as long as what you're doing is legal you should be able to make money for it. Anything l…

oh come on. tumbler is aiming for sweet sweet sweet branding advertising dollars, which has nothing to do with payment processors. they are looking for a hefty 1-10-100M transaction from BMW, P&G or Unilever. payment processors are not in this business at all.

>oh come on. tumbler is aiming for sweet sweet sweet branding advertising dollars

Right, because with all the data collected about users, and all the data mined from all the pages, in the year 2019 it's still impossible to tell that a particular blog is NSFW to avoid showing an shampoo ad on it.

What is targeting for 5000.

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Whoah there. Just because the parent is painting all Americans with one brush doesn't mean we have to reciprocate.

This comment is truly bizarre. How did you read the parent, and only get that it's "painting all Americans with one brush". It was made perfectly clear by words such as "several" and "lots of". It really could not have been made more clear. It explicitly referred to individuals that marcus has personally met. As an American myself, I find these anecdotal claims totally believable and unsurprising. Seriously, how did…

Simple: It's like I said I was travelling through Mexico and loudly commented that I was meeting a lot of bike thieves. In the really real world, I'm saying Mexicans are bike thieves. In the weasel words world I'm just commenting out of the blue about the statistically improbable series of nefarious folks I met.

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This comment is truly bizarre. How did you read the parent, and only get that it's "painting all Americans with one brush". It was made perfectly clear by words such as "several" and "lots of". It really could not have been made more clear. It explicitly referred to individuals that marcus has personally met. As an American myself, I find these anecdotal claims totally believable and unsurprising. Seriously, how did…

Simple: It's like I said I was travelling through Mexico and loudly commented that I was meeting a lot of bike thieves. In the really real world, I'm saying Mexicans are bike thieves. In the weasel words world I'm just commenting out of the blue about the statistically improbable series of nefarious folks I met.

Interesting. So you projected yourself onto someone else's comment, which allowed you to evaluate it strictly and narrowly against your own experiences and programming. You constructed an idealized hypothetical scenario whose wrongness you could specify ("out of the blue" and "improbable"), which thus provides a judgement you can defend somewhat logically. But then you applied that judgement to a completely dissimilar and unrelated comment, made by another person who may or may not resemble you in any way. Your cognitive dissonance was so powerful that it convinced you that marcus_holmes was "painting all Americans with one brush". Not just a personal and anecdotal sample, as stated clearly in his comment, but all Americans.

I hope you're at least willing to submit your own speech to the same sort of language-policing. A brief look at your comment history shows that you paint with a similarly broad brush at times:

> In fact, a great part of [Christianity in the US] runs counter to the actual teachings of Christ.

> It's very weird to me that a society [the U.S] that currently has, for example, a huge anti-gun movement, based on ideas like "every child deserves to grow up in a safe community", would at the same time treat the deaths of 10,000 people as a rounding error. But that's literally how we are.

> The ex-Soviets I've talked to about this pretty unanimously relate that they were raised to think the USSR was the best country on earth, just like we are in the US.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Are you thinking that if a porn-averse brand starts advertising on porno, then that brand could become associated with qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising? The nice thing about lookin at porn on tumblr was that there were no shady spam ads (nothing as shady as ad-supported porn sites). I'm sure if the porn-phobic brands continued to pull their ads the shady click farmer…

> qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising? do they? you can go to pornhub or xvideos and get all the porn you want, and ads will only ask you to subscribe to "full videos" (which are probably full, but I have never subscribed). Nothing shady about them, no spyware or phishery. I have no tumblr experience, but I dont expect tumblr porn ads being different from pornhub porn a…

Oh no, a misunderstanding! I was talking about the ads on the porn, not the ads for porn. The entities which advertise on porn are currently, super shady, promising me larger genitals and beautiful lonely women in my area. Tumblr didnt have such ads on their porn.
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