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Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:19 AM UTC

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #20

nopriorarrests wrote: post #6

Whats the point of this article? Tumblr is supposed to be monetized. You can't monetize porn content, so tumblr has 'no pron' policy now. Sorry, this is how the world works. Boo. Meanwhile, any kind of porn is plentiful if you go to the different url. Enter any keyword and have porn catered to your interest, in a good quality, abundant. Seriously, this was unimaginable 15 years ago, and yet author claims that someone…

I don't understand why the corporate monoliths refuse to slap their ads on porno. Porno has got to be the most popular kind of content on the internet. Why cant my porno be brought to me in part by pepsi cola?

I'm guessing, but one consideration may be that they're afraid of "moral panic" from their non-porn-watching customer segment.

The situation is ridiculous, though. Plenty of companies, including Pepsi and other FMCG brands, car manufacturers, tobacco manufacturers, etc. advertise themselves with clips so sexualized they're borderline pornographic. The market doesn't seem to mind. Avoidance of porn seems hypocritical.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by jacobwilliamroy » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:19 AM UTC

nopriorarrests wrote: post #30

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why the corporate monoliths refuse to slap their ads on porno. Porno has got to be the most popular kind of content on the internet. Why cant my porno be brought to me in part by pepsi cola?

Good question. I think (dont quote me) that porn ads could be seen as "lowest common denominator", aka "cheapest product on market", and, generally speaking, nobody in marketing department wants to be associated with such label. We may argue that this is wrong and being advertised next to porn content does not carry such stigma, but this is how the world works, at least for now. If some brand will start with porn adv…

Are you thinking that if a porn-averse brand starts advertising on porno, then that brand could become associated with qualities of the spywares and phisheries which currently dominate porn adviertising?

The nice thing about lookin at porn on tumblr was that there were no shady spam ads (nothing as shady as ad-supported porn sites). I'm sure if the porn-phobic brands continued to pull their ads the shady click farmers would have moved in to fill the vacuum. Perhaps tumblr would never need shady spam ads if more legitimate businesses would run ads on porn. Just thinking out loud here. Not a doctor or anything.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by nitwit005 » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:19 AM UTC

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #20

nopriorarrests wrote: post #6

Whats the point of this article? Tumblr is supposed to be monetized. You can't monetize porn content, so tumblr has 'no pron' policy now. Sorry, this is how the world works. Boo. Meanwhile, any kind of porn is plentiful if you go to the different url. Enter any keyword and have porn catered to your interest, in a good quality, abundant. Seriously, this was unimaginable 15 years ago, and yet author claims that someone…

I don't understand why the corporate monoliths refuse to slap their ads on porno. Porno has got to be the most popular kind of content on the internet. Why cant my porno be brought to me in part by pepsi cola?

It's not just pornography. Companies also want to avoid "extremist" content, which has been an issue for YouTube. Some advertisers also want to avoid being on medical articles and the like.

Advertisers concerned about their brand are going to avoid anything they fear will damage the brand image.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:20 AM UTC

throwaway415415 wrote: post #50

bad_user wrote: post #43

What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

This. What is wrong with nudity? What is wrong if a child sees a dick or a titty? Why are ashamed? Why is nudity such an awful thing?

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Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by sschueller » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:21 AM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #43

What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

The United States is quite a violent place and it is reflected in its media. With multiple wars on going and a huge weapons industry people have become to accept it as normal. Prison rape is accepted as something that just happens and police across the nation are armed like military.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by stinos » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:29 AM UTC

There's nude art subreddits, no? And Vimeo has a bunch of channels featuring nudity on stage, nude art performances etc. It's video though, and maybe not super popular on a global scale, but just mentioning this to counter the 'all is lost' feeling the article sometimes gave me while reading through it.

For the rest though I wholeheartedly agree: the input (keyboard) and in between (servers) and output (search results/sites) being censored - with the majority of people not even realizing it - is quite terrifying.

Question: I do remember Nerve, but find it a bit hard to believe there is really nothing like it anymore, is there?

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by finebalance » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:31 AM UTC

yann63 wrote: post #52

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #21

Since I heard about Tumblrs new policy a week before it was implemented, I've been hard at work building Libr ( https://librapp.com ) to replace it. A large amount of art that isn't porn, but that qualifies as "adult content" under the new policy has been all but purged from the internet. It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Libr is about…

> It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Are you saying that adult content is not legitimate art? If so, I think you may be part of the problem, not the solution. English is not my first language, so please correct me if I am wrong. By adult content, most of us think "porn". But as has been said, there's also violence and other things that s…

>Are you saying that adult content is not legitimate art?

No, the commentator seems to imply the exact opposite: that a large amount of 'legitimate' art is also adult in nature, which lead to its illegitimate removal during the purge.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by mac_was » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:31 AM UTC

The artist claims that internet killed porn then switches to Yahoo News and is able to find what she is looking for, so it seems that she is unhappy that it is not reachable on Google. Another point is that when she worked with teenagers their biggest question was how to prevent diseases, pregnancy, one quick question- how would they find answers on porn sites? All the answers are available publicly on health related sites like the NHS for example, you do not need porn and sex-museums for that.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by erdo » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:32 AM UTC

nopriorarrests wrote: post #6

Whats the point of this article? Tumblr is supposed to be monetized. You can't monetize porn content, so tumblr has 'no pron' policy now. Sorry, this is how the world works. Boo. Meanwhile, any kind of porn is plentiful if you go to the different url. Enter any keyword and have porn catered to your interest, in a good quality, abundant. Seriously, this was unimaginable 15 years ago, and yet author claims that someone…

I think you should read the article, it's not complaining about the lack of commercial porn

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by PinkMilkshake » Sat, Feb 02, 2019, 8:32 AM UTC

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #21

Since I heard about Tumblrs new policy a week before it was implemented, I've been hard at work building Libr ( https://librapp.com ) to replace it. A large amount of art that isn't porn, but that qualifies as "adult content" under the new policy has been all but purged from the internet. It's impossible to ban adult content in a cost effective way without also banning a large amount of legitimate art. Libr is about…

There are a few red flags here for me. Libr has the signatures of a well known political movement who have a penchant for censoring anything they don't like under the claim of hate speech.

Or you're just marketing to the Tumblr user demographic.