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Re: iPad Pro

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Post by enitihas »

Invictus0 wrote: post #315
OskarS wrote: post #156

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If you want to test the mettle of a computer, try opening a large Photoshop file and doing anything in it. This, right here, is why it's an indictment of the software industry. It SHOULDN'T be impressive that Photoshop doesn't lag. When she said that line, the entire audience should have shrugged and said to themselves "Of course you can zoom into an image in Photoshop. It's 2018. What's the big deal?"

I know you're trying to make the point that most software is bloated/slow/etc. but this is not the example to use for that point. Things don't just get faster because it's current year. The size of photos has increased by orders of magnitude since Photoshop debuted, the size of screens has increased, and the capabilities of the program have increased. In Photoshop, it is not only plausible but commonplace to have mul…

Why does Photoshop use only 2 cores at maximum?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by jodrellblank »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #773
jodrellblank wrote: post #746

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Are you equally offended that this "floor to ceiling room divider" stops a couple of inches below the ceiling? https://www.amazon.com/Royhom-Privacy-Divider-Decoration-Apa... Do you expect this "top to bottom house cleaning service" to include the chimney and roof and aerials because the "top" has a literal definition? https://top-to-bottom.cleaning/ Are you angry that "surround sound" only has a discrete n…

I think the floor to ceiling divider is meant to literally reach the ceiling. It comes in different sizes. I would be upset if I bought one that didn't quite reach the ceiling because it was a few inches shorter than advertised. I would definitely be upset if I hired someone to make a floor-to-ceiling partition and it didn't reach the ceiling, unless floor-to-ceiling had a clear well-understood different meaning in t…

You say it's a metaphor, but neither of us have any idea what it's a metaphor for. [..] I think what you're actually trying to argue is that it's completely meaningless marketing fluff that can be applied to any phone or tablet.

I probably am, yes. I mostly think it's silly to argue that it "can only be used literally" in the face of it being used non-literally. It's a metaphor for its literal definition - this screen is "edge-to-edge" like a screen with no borders. It metaphorically has no borders because it's so big and the borders are so small, even though it literally does have borders, but you won't notice them, you'll accept the screen is edge to edge because it very like one that is. Yes it does seem like a literally false statement to sell people on an idea.

Would you object to calling a feature phone edge-to-edge

I don't know. On the one hand I don't think it is, any more than I don't think the iPad Pro is. On the other hand, they can call it whatever they want, they will just say "the screen goes from the edge of the screen to the edge of the screen" and everyone will say "duh". Do I think it's harmful? Not so much because the screen is visible. "All day battery life" was more misleading because you can't see the contrary at a glance. "No fee" when there is a fee, way more harmful.

"Unmissable" has a second meaning, "too good or important to be missed." [1]

Well "Edge" has meanings "2.a. the line where an object or area begins or ends : BORDER" and "2.b. the narrow part adjacent to a border" and "2.c. a point near the beginning or the end" - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/edge

So "edge to edge" could meaninglessly but accurately be saying "from a point near the edge to a part adjacent to the other edge". :-|

(except "all powerful", did they really say that?)

Yep; top of the page here https://www.apple.com/ipad/ - All New. All Screen. All Powerful.

Meaning, presumably, "every bit of it is new, it's mostly screen, every component is high end".

It would not make sense to say "my car is a Lexus" as a metaphor to mean my Hyundai is nice.

"How is your new Hyundai?" "It's so luxurious and feature filled, it's totally .. i dunno, it's ... very Lexus! Yeah, my car is a Lexus by another badge!". You wouldn't understand that?

It wouldn't make sense to say "my car is turbocharged" to mean it's fast when it doesn't have a turbocharger.

"How is your new Tesla?" "FAST it's so fast it's turbocharged supercharged bullet train rocket engine awesome" "I don't understand, it cannot be turbocharged because there is no internal combustion engine exhaust gas to spin the turbine, why are you lying?"

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pjmlp »

eddieroger wrote: post #786
pjmlp wrote: post #782

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Windows offers a complete personality for Linux syscalls. Objective-C/Swift Frameworks have nothing to do with UNIX, Apple could easily port them to another kernel architecture. Likewise OS X driver model has nothing to do with UNIX, being modeled on an C++ subset, which was originally written in Objective-C back in the NeXTSTEP days. The only UNIX GUI certified as such is Motif, which Apple certainly isn't offering…

I never claimed macOS was UNIX, but Darwin is certified UNIX[1]. Opening Terminal in macOS gives you a real bash without any of the rest of macOS. 1. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3555.htm

And access to Bell Labs teletype style applications like a command shell, because everything else built on top isn't UNIX related, just like NeXTSTEP.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pjmlp »

int_19h wrote: post #784
pjmlp wrote: post #752

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Actually UWP does not allow for JIT code, other than Chackra, as you should know. Hence MDIL in WP 8.x and .NET Native on WP 10 onwards.

WinRT sandbox has always allowed for JIT'ted code, all the way back to the original Windows 8 release - all .NET Store apps back then were running on a JIT. .NET Native is a later addition that is there solely to improve performance, and it is still opt-in. Now, Win8.x did not allow for third-party JIT compilers in the sandbox; it was only CLR or Chakra. But UWP does - look for the "codeGeneration" capability here: h…

WP 8.x did not JIT code on device, hence the whole MDIL and cloud compiler on the store.

WP 8.x only did dynamic linking at installation time and when OS updates were done, by replacing symbolic labels with the actual target destinations. Everything else was already compiled at the store and downloaded as binary into the devices. This was the whole point of MDIL.

There is a BUILD session and a further Channel 9 deep dive interview showing how MDIL deployment works on WP 8.x.

So Chakra was the only JIT in town.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by daveFNbuck »

jodrellblank wrote: post #792
daveFNbuck wrote: post #773

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I think the floor to ceiling divider is meant to literally reach the ceiling. It comes in different sizes. I would be upset if I bought one that didn't quite reach the ceiling because it was a few inches shorter than advertised. I would definitely be upset if I hired someone to make a floor-to-ceiling partition and it didn't reach the ceiling, unless floor-to-ceiling had a clear well-understood different meaning in t…

You say it's a metaphor, but neither of us have any idea what it's a metaphor for. [..] I think what you're actually trying to argue is that it's completely meaningless marketing fluff that can be applied to any phone or tablet. I probably am, yes. I mostly think it's silly to argue that it "can only be used literally" in the face of it being used non-literally. It's a metaphor for its literal definition - this scree…

> you'll accept the screen is edge to edge because it very like one that is

I think that's the core of the dispute here. The screen on this iPad is nothing like a screen that's edge-to-edge. It's surprising and confusing to see it described like that with such a clear thick bezel in all the images. I and a lot of other people in the comments here don't accept that this screen is edge-to-edge.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pjmlp »

pjmlp wrote: post #794
int_19h wrote: post #784

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WinRT sandbox has always allowed for JIT'ted code, all the way back to the original Windows 8 release - all .NET Store apps back then were running on a JIT. .NET Native is a later addition that is there solely to improve performance, and it is still opt-in. Now, Win8.x did not allow for third-party JIT compilers in the sandbox; it was only CLR or Chakra. But UWP does - look for the "codeGeneration" capability here: h…

WP 8.x did not JIT code on device, hence the whole MDIL and cloud compiler on the store. WP 8.x only did dynamic linking at installation time and when OS updates were done, by replacing symbolic labels with the actual target destinations. Everything else was already compiled at the store and downloaded as binary into the devices. This was the whole point of MDIL. There is a BUILD session and a further Channel 9 deep…

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"BUILD 2012, Deep Dive into the Kernel of .NET on Windows Phone 8"

https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2012/3-005

"Mani Ramaswamy and Peter Sollich: Inside Compiler in the Cloud and MDIL"

https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Mani-Ramaswamy-an...

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by kllrnohj »

sjwright wrote: post #787
kllrnohj wrote: post #777

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There's not a limit for criticism. Just because LG was worse in a particular instances doesn't mean Apple gets a free pass.

My point is nobody is being deceived and Apple clearly isn't trying to be deceptive. "Edge to edge" as a term has been used to describe many things, and never the mythical 0.00mm bezel that only a pedant would assume. But sure, there's no limit to criticism. Everything is horrible. Buy nothing.

How is calling a 9mm bezel "edge to edge" not being deceptive? It's not even a small bezel by monitor standards much less mobile ones. This isn't at all about a mythical 0.00mm bezel (which isn't actually mythical - those devices do exist), it's about not being in the same ballpark as what is commonly referred to as "edge to edge" or "all screen", which is in the ~4mm or less range range.

How can you possibly look at what Apple is claiming and then look at the pictures and say the words aren't deceptive?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by alliecat »

rtkwe wrote: post #359
outworlder wrote: post #162

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It works for Macbook to Macbook charging, so why wouldn't it work with the iPad? Note that your device doesn't have to provide the requested power if it is unable to, it can provide less.

Doesn't the Macbook require a certain minimum power to be available before it will start trying to charge though. IE if I plug it into an old .5A USB charger would it try to charge off the 2.5W? That's most of what I meant when I was talking about providing enough power.

It charges quite happily off the 3W max which is standard on most non-power-delivery USB-C ports (inc Apple's, iirc)

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by int_19h »

pjmlp wrote: post #794
int_19h wrote: post #784

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WinRT sandbox has always allowed for JIT'ted code, all the way back to the original Windows 8 release - all .NET Store apps back then were running on a JIT. .NET Native is a later addition that is there solely to improve performance, and it is still opt-in. Now, Win8.x did not allow for third-party JIT compilers in the sandbox; it was only CLR or Chakra. But UWP does - look for the "codeGeneration" capability here: h…

WP 8.x did not JIT code on device, hence the whole MDIL and cloud compiler on the store. WP 8.x only did dynamic linking at installation time and when OS updates were done, by replacing symbolic labels with the actual target destinations. Everything else was already compiled at the store and downloaded as binary into the devices. This was the whole point of MDIL. There is a BUILD session and a further Channel 9 deep…

Oh, I meant Windows, not Windows Phone (for 8.x, that was a big difference still).

Either way, code generation is there today.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by sjwright »

exodust wrote: post #790
sjwright wrote: post #788

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Mobile systems have democratized content creation not because of price (though that too; not everyone buys the most expensive device) but because they are demonstrably easier to use for content creation than anything that came before them. Source: personal experience with multiple over-65 people for whom an iPad or iPhone is the first internet-connected computer they've ever owned.

"Content creation" isn't usually referring to "family photos and social media". Besides, family photos are made with digital cameras, not mobile apps. In the context of this thread, the target user of iPad Pro is more than someone taking pictures of their kids and pets on weekends. As for my opinion on this, I believe in using the right tool for the job, AND using multiple tools to get the job done. Sometimes an iPad…

> "Content creation" isn't usually referring to "family photos and social media".

I wish I agreed with you, but I can't but see that as elitist condescension against unsophisticated content.

> the target user of iPad Pro is more than someone taking pictures of their kids and pets on weekends.

I wish I agreed with you, but in reality the iPad Pro is marketed as a tool for "serious professionals" but in reality that's just an aspirational message and a large number of iPad Pro buyers will use them to take pictures of their kids and pets on weekends.

The same is true of DSLRs. They're supposed to be professional work tools but the overwhelming sales numbers are to amateurs taking photos for trivial reasons. (That said, the DSLR market has now matured to the point where they do target the amateru audience.)

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