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Re: iPad Pro

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Post by toasterlovin » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:09 PM UTC

jaegerpicker wrote: post #125

bendavis381 wrote: post #78

Can someone more educated on the subject please explain to me what would be required to turn this into a proper development machine? I'm asking about what iOS changes would be needed, rather than opinions about the physical aspects of it like form factor.

Depends on what you want to output. Webapps? Nothing, it already has all you need, especially if you are willing to use a remote server that you are ssh'ed into but you don't NEED that. For native compiled code and apps? Apple needs to release a Xcode compiler and a developer mode that lets you run self-signed binaries on the hardware.

Is there an inspector in Safari for iOS? Can I dig into the markup on a page and debug CSS and layout issues?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by leoc » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:09 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #229

tyingq wrote: post #41

"The new Liquid Retina display goes from edge to edge" I've never owned an iPad, perhaps I'm missing something here. How does the above statement reconcile with the pictures I see on the page where there's clearly a black bezel? Do they just mean there's not an area at the bottom with a physical button?

Bezels are smaller, and consistent all the way around, with no ‘chin’ or ‘forehead’ bars.

Yes, in this case it seems to be a euphemism for “we junked the Back button”.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by slg » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:10 PM UTC

Who are the people out there that use the rear facing camera of a 13 inch tablet enough to justify that camera bump? It isn't unusual for Apple to make unpopular design choices, but you at least can usually see the logic in their decisions. I can't fathom the reasons behind this one.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by jm20 » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:10 PM UTC

sarreph wrote: post #242

Jgrubb wrote: post #18

The person who decided to make this scroll sideways instead of down when you scroll down, and not to scroll sideways when you scroll sideways should be put in stocks in the town square.

Maybe you didn't get the memo, but it's actually an early release of the 'new' way scroll. Scrolling 1.0 = normal scrolling Scrolling 2.0 = left/right up/down directions are inverted respectively Scrolling 3.0 = left/right scrolling only, via up/down gestures (use left/right gestures at your peril)

Don't forget, Scrolling 3.0 is only available on this year's New ScrollBar(tm)

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by Invictus0 » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:10 PM UTC

OskarS wrote: post #156

stupidbird wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scrolling through layers in photoshop doesn't necessarily just scroll a list though, it's also actively selecting the content of those layers... which can be very complex (I didn't watch the demo so I'm not entirely sure of the specific scrolling context). You're dealing with filters, transparencies, hand-drawn paths, masking, linked files, embedded files — there's a wide realm of potential data and complexity. If yo…

If you want to test the mettle of a computer, try opening a large Photoshop file and doing anything in it. This, right here, is why it's an indictment of the software industry. It SHOULDN'T be impressive that Photoshop doesn't lag. When she said that line, the entire audience should have shrugged and said to themselves "Of course you can zoom into an image in Photoshop. It's 2018. What's the big deal?"

I know you're trying to make the point that most software is bloated/slow/etc. but this is not the example to use for that point. Things don't just get faster because it's current year. The size of photos has increased by orders of magnitude since Photoshop debuted, the size of screens has increased, and the capabilities of the program have increased. In Photoshop, it is not only plausible but commonplace to have multiple 50MB files visible simultaneously, some raster, some vector, some text or shape. It's also worth considering that Photoshop only really uses 2 cores at maximum anyway.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by kentm » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:11 PM UTC

calgoo wrote: post #123

tyingq wrote: post #41

"The new Liquid Retina display goes from edge to edge" I've never owned an iPad, perhaps I'm missing something here. How does the above statement reconcile with the pictures I see on the page where there's clearly a black bezel? Do they just mean there's not an area at the bottom with a physical button?

Am I the only one who actually like to have an edge on my devices so they dont break by looking at them? At least if there is a metal edge it can take some of the force and you have a chance of not breaking the screen. I dont understand why metal is bad and glass is somehow good? Also, I need to grab my ipad, move it around, spin it, grab it with the other hand etc. I see the edges / bezel's as very useful in these c…

I agree. I can't say removing the bezel is something that wanted or asked for.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by tjr » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:11 PM UTC

eddieroger wrote: post #243

tjr wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly use it for displaying sheet music / band charts, and occasionally as a Presonus Studio One remote control. I think I would like to move to using Adobe Lightroom on the iPad.

What do you use for sheet music? I use ForScore with the Pencil, and it has been an amazing pairing that a magnet-mounted Pencil will only make better. One of my bandmates uses an Android tablet and generic stylus, and it's not even comparable how much better my setup is. I'm sure there are a dozen Android tablets with active styli, but I haven't seen them.

As a band leader, I have produced score material using Sibelius for years, and have been using Avid Scorch Sibelius file viewer on the iPad. Unfortunately, Avid seems not especially interested in supporting this product... this is a case where I can really see practical value in Free Software! I would love to be able to contribute some fixes and improvements.

But it works well enough.

I am looking forward to the Steinberg Dorico team putting out a MusicXML viewer for iPad... and have also occasionally contemplated developing one myself, to make sure I get the feature set I want. :-)

[There are good PDF-based systems, but we sometimes need to switch keys for vocalists, and MusicXML works better for that, if you don't know in advance to prepare a new document.]

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by qyv » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:11 PM UTC

unrealhoang wrote: post #166

minimaxir wrote: post #3

Very impressive demos, but unfortunately the number of apps that can make full use of the increased power is still limited. A common complaint I saw during the presentation was the emphasis of the A12X for gaming, but Apple is still very bad at incentivizing developers to make games with premium experiences and prices (to say nothing of the lack of an official gaming controller!) Also, the new Apple Pencil will only…

Yes, my wildest dream is that they will release XCode with developer's tools (i.e. compilers), my laptop will be gone that exact second.

Why are people so eager to leap from computer OS's (MacOS or even Windows) to these walled gardens like iOS? I can't imagine developing software on iOS, because you know the deployment procedure will be straight to the app store. This ends the ability to create, distribute and install software yourself. Is this really what we want???

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by aero142 » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:13 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #313

Who are the people out there that use the rear facing camera of a 13 inch tablet enough to justify that camera bump? It isn't unusual for Apple to make unpopular design choices, but you at least can usually see the logic in their decisions. I can't fathom the reasons behind this one.

By my count, everyone's parents over the age of 50.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pandakar » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:13 PM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #3

Very impressive demos, but unfortunately the number of apps that can make full use of the increased power is still limited. A common complaint I saw during the presentation was the emphasis of the A12X for gaming, but Apple is still very bad at incentivizing developers to make games with premium experiences and prices (to say nothing of the lack of an official gaming controller!) Also, the new Apple Pencil will only…

Interestingly, one place where this race to the bottom is NOT present is in iPad music apps, synths and DAWs. Prices range from 10 to 50, and the apps are polished.