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Re: iPad Pro

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Post by exodust »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #749
jodrellblank wrote: post #743

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Yes you can. "a word or phrase applied to an object to which it is not literally applicable." 'Edge' applied to an object which is not literally the edge. Metaphor. You can't just claim the definition is not the definition and expect people to side with you over multiple dictionaries. That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it. Literally everyone? Or figuratively everyone? You think the A…

So every single phone on the market can be described as “edge to edge”?

My old 15" CRT monitor had awesome edge-to-edge technology. It was apparently way ahead of its time.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pjmlp »

int_19h wrote: post #722
millstone wrote: post #718

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You misunderstand. Apple can fix WebKit bugs, but they can't force Google to fix Chrome bugs. Also for Apple to allow v8, they would have to permit 3rd party unsigned executable code (JITed in this case). Apple doesn't want to allow that. This is not about CVEs, it's a meta discussion of not outsourcing the security of the platform.

> Also for Apple to allow v8, they would have to permit 3rd party unsigned executable code (JITed in this case). Apple doesn't want to allow that. And how does that pertain to security? Android doesn't seem to have a problem with JITed code in sandboxed store apps. Neither does Win10.

Actually UWP does not allow for JIT code, other than Chackra, as you should know.

Hence MDIL in WP 8.x and .NET Native on WP 10 onwards.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pjmlp »

askvictor wrote: post #662
jjtheblunt wrote: post #634

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"for most people" -> "for most javascript devs" ? totally ridiculous dev machine for scientific or financial computing, no?

there's plenty of non-JS dev work that isn't scientific or financial. Since ChromeOS now runs Linux apps, any dev is feasible; arguments about machine specs are about the hardware, not the OS.

Last time I checked only Google devices do.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by dagw »

cm2187 wrote: post #653
coder543 wrote: post #635

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Anything you can run on Linux, you can run on a Chromebook, without even having to do anything hacky these days, as I understand it. So, nothing to do with JavaScript specifically.

I think it was a reference to the capability of the hardware.

I do a lot of scientific computing and data analysis development work and most of the time during my dev cycle I'm working on tiny test data sets developing and testing new approaches to certain problems. Most of that work could absolutely be done on something with the capability of the new iPad pro. In fact I do a fair bit of development on a mid-range surface pro 4 which has pretty similar specs as the new iPad pro.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by jodrellblank »

exodust wrote: post #750
jodrellblank wrote: post #743

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Yes you can. "a word or phrase applied to an object to which it is not literally applicable." 'Edge' applied to an object which is not literally the edge. Metaphor. You can't just claim the definition is not the definition and expect people to side with you over multiple dictionaries. That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it. Literally everyone? Or figuratively everyone? You think the A…

"Edge" refers to the edge of the device. There is no other edge metaphorical or otherwise, imho. More than definition, how metaphors are used is important. Is "edge" a metaphor when the actual edge is right there, 9mm from the screen perimeter? There is no metaphor only 'edge-to-edge' window dressing. In the same way "lightning" is not a metaphor in a discussion about thunderstorms.

As others have advised, you should look up how metaphors are used,

See my other comment in this thread, there is at least six years of prior usage by multiple big tech companies describing their product's screens as "edge-to-edge" without literally meaning edge-of-device to edge-of-device, with links.

And see my other other comment where I wonder why "edge-to-edge" has your goat, when Apple describing the iPad Pro as "all screen" doesn't. Is that intended to be taken literally as well? There's no CPU, no memory, no battery, no glass, no other components, all screen?

Because the device is right there, it clearly has parts which are not screen, why aren't you frothing at the mouth about how it's a lie intended to "attract suckers" instead of a non-literal highlighting that the screen is large?

Like "all butter cookies" - that's a lie for suckers to think they are made of butter and no other ingredients, right? Because there's no way it could be read except literally, is there?

Non-literal descriptions are everywhere.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pjmlp »

FiveSquared wrote: post #707
brisance wrote: post #691

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There are lots of tools you can use to develop iOS apps other than Xcode. Phonegap/Cordova/OutSystems, Visual Studio, Xojo, Mendix, LiveCode et al. End of the day, Apple like any other corporation does what it does because it makes money for them. The alternative is to use a "free" operating system like Android and you subject yourself to constant surveillance. It's like that scene in The Big Short; "tell me how you'…

It's called a "hand-built Linux desktop."

Typing this on a netbook, the only surviving Linux desktop I still use.

For some reason most Linux conferences end up being about file systems, containers, device drivers and what not, seldom about desktop development.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by pjmlp »

threeseed wrote: post #686
SiVal wrote: post #617

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The reason Apple cares so much more about iOS than MacOS is vastly increased control. With iOS, they control the hardware from the chips up, the OS, which apps you can run, and via Safari-only access to the internet, even what you can and can't do using external services. It makes computing & communications an Apple theme park, where you can't bring anything forbidden into the park, have to buy everything you need fr…

1. It's not Safari only. It's Webkit only and there are legitimate security reasons for this. 2. The idea that UNIX is antithetical to what Apple stands for is just ridiculous. It is still at the core of iOS and MacOS and is one of the areas where Apple continues to innovate. 3. Apple licensed MacOS in the past. It nearly killed the company since third parties like PowerComputing went straight after their core base a…

Apple was always focused on their own platform, even Steve while at NeXT saw UNIX just as a way to lead developers into their hardware, but the real juice was in NeXTSTEP Objective-C world not POSIX.

What is happening now are those that only discovered the Mac world after OS X, don't care about Objective-C/Swift development, now feeling that their pretty UI Linux replacement is no more.

Apple naturally cares about their Objective-C/Swift developers in first place.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by slivym »

stupidbird wrote: post #184
OskarS wrote: post #156

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If you want to test the mettle of a computer, try opening a large Photoshop file and doing anything in it. This, right here, is why it's an indictment of the software industry. It SHOULDN'T be impressive that Photoshop doesn't lag. When she said that line, the entire audience should have shrugged and said to themselves "Of course you can zoom into an image in Photoshop. It's 2018. What's the big deal?"

I don't know enough about software to contest that statement, but I suspect you could be underestimating the the complexity of what Photoshop does. We're also talking about multi-gig files. Outside of media the occurrence of an individual application file this large is pretty small. It's not like you can reliably play a 4K video file on many entry-level machines either. In a similar vein, I would argue that it's a be…

I think the obvious point is that whilst what photoshop does is very complex and computationally intensive, it's not new. The vast majority of the functionality in an average photoshop file is the same as was in the product 15 years ago. We really have reached the point of diminishing returns. And doing those tasks 15 years ago wasn't slow, so it's questionable why photoshop hasn't scaled in speed with the hardware.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by Dunedan »

basch wrote: post #469
RubberShoes wrote: post #443

To me, the shift to USB-C signifies a fundamental change in how Apple is approaching the iPad and computing going forward. Those stupid "what's a computer" ads make a little more sense. With USB-C, developers will support whatever I/O standards they need to in iOS, and the ecosystem of monitors, keyboards, and peripherals we all bought for our laptops/desktops will now begin to work with iOS too. This feature alone g…

A shift from lightning to usb c is apple losing because they didnt donate their port to the spec. They could have "invented" usb c. I understand why they didnt, but I still prefer lightning to usbc. They are doing this before the EU makes them do it. What apple did do was force the market to adapt to a plug that can go in both directions. And they thinned out the plug quite nicely, it never needed to be so thick.

Are you sure Apple didn't invent USB-C? There are sources suggesting they did, like https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by Terretta »

Invictus0 wrote: post #315
OskarS wrote: post #156

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If you want to test the mettle of a computer, try opening a large Photoshop file and doing anything in it. This, right here, is why it's an indictment of the software industry. It SHOULDN'T be impressive that Photoshop doesn't lag. When she said that line, the entire audience should have shrugged and said to themselves "Of course you can zoom into an image in Photoshop. It's 2018. What's the big deal?"

I know you're trying to make the point that most software is bloated/slow/etc. but this is not the example to use for that point. Things don't just get faster because it's current year. The size of photos has increased by orders of magnitude since Photoshop debuted, the size of screens has increased, and the capabilities of the program have increased. In Photoshop, it is not only plausible but commonplace to have mul…

Not “orders of magnitude”, no.

Demo was 12,000 x 12,000 pixels, 2 orders of magnitude would be pictures of 120 x 120 pixels.

We did more with Photoshop in the past than 128px icons.

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