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Re: iPad Pro

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Post by tokyodude »

millstone wrote: post #718
tokyodude wrote: post #709

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are not legitimate security reasons for Webkit only. That makes zero sense. Chrome has hands down beat every other browser on security for years. Go read the CVEs. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that iOS webkit has a better track record than webkit at large. Therefore it's nearly certain your iOS device is less secure browsing the net with webkit/Safari than if Apple allowed real chrome to run there…

You misunderstand. Apple can fix WebKit bugs, but they can't force Google to fix Chrome bugs. Also for Apple to allow v8, they would have to permit 3rd party unsigned executable code (JITed in this case). Apple doesn't want to allow that. This is not about CVEs, it's a meta discussion of not outsourcing the security of the platform.

Google has a track record of fixing Chrome bugs far far faster than Apple fixes Safari bugs so the point still stands. You'd be safer and more secure if allowed to run real Chrome on iOS than Safari by every measurable metric. In other words it's effectively provable the restriction is not about security.

> Apple doesn't want to allow that.

Yes, that's all it's about. Apple's control. Other excuses people make up for their reasons are demonstrably false.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by iknowstuff »

AlexandrB wrote: post #679
gcb0 wrote: post #647

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apple: we won't give you touch screen laptops because touchscreens are garbage also apple: here's a laptop with only touchscreen. fan boys are going to have a field day to sell this one up. (edit: it already started with a workarounds for text input only. let's see how far it will go :)

Touchscreens are garbage on a desktop-oriented OS like macOS. The giant-ass buttons and controls in Windows 10 are one of the things that make it so infuriating for me. I don't want big buttons sucking up screen real-estate everywhere when I have a mouse available for precision input.

No, they said they're unviable on laptops because of having to lift your hands up. Now they're pushing the iPad Pro with a keyboard that props it up to stand vertically, without a touchpad, requiring the user to lift their hands up more often than, say, a Surface.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by jodrellblank »

exodust wrote: post #719
jodrellblank wrote: post #683

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I Google'd "define:metaphor" and it says "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable." and... Grammarly says "A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn’t literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison." Soooo this supports the idea that "edge-to-edge" can be descriptive but not liter…

No. The word "edge" in this context, literally means the edge of the device or screen. That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it. The word "lightning" for example, does NOT literally mean "fast". It literally means the electrical energy we see in the sky. When used to describe computer speed, it's obviously a metaphor, and well-understood as a metaphor. You can't just claim something is…

Yes you can. "a word or phrase applied to an object to which it is not literally applicable." 'Edge' applied to an object which is not literally the edge. Metaphor.

You can't just claim the definition is not the definition and expect people to side with you over multiple dictionaries.

That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it.

Literally everyone? Or figuratively everyone? You think the Apple marketing people cannot see the bezel and honestly think is not there?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by thirdsun »

taejavu wrote: post #651

Does anyone know if these new models have 120Hz displays? I couldn't find any mention in the tech specs.

They do. Apple calls this technology ProMotion and it’s listed in the specs.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by ksec »

PC Gaming has been the driving force behind recent PC Shipment improvement. And I see iPad Pro, with a Magic Keyboard and Mouse as opportunity that could finally disrupt the PC Gaming business. Or Gaming that requires Keyboard and mouse. PUBG, C&C, Civ, Diablo, Online Gaming. The iPad Pro could now run all these with an external monitor.

Basically it is Apple and iOS that is limiting the iPad Pro Usage. Give me a BT 5.0 Keyboard and Mouse, along with a Sublime Editor I could even replace my MacBook Pro.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by jodrellblank »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #739
jodrellblank wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I Google'd "define:metaphor" and it says "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable." and... Grammarly says "A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn’t literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison." Soooo this supports the idea that "edge-to-edge" can be descriptive but not liter…

What is calling it "edge-to-edge" describing? Would it be equally valid to say that it has a 20" screen as a metaphor for how large the screen is?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are you equally offended that this "floor to ceiling room divider" stops a couple of inches below the ceiling? https://www.amazon.com/Royhom-Privacy-Divider-Decoration-Apa...

Do you expect this "top to bottom house cleaning service" to include the chimney and roof and aerials because the "top" has a literal definition? https://top-to-bottom.cleaning/

Are you angry that "surround sound" only has a discrete number of speakers, usually 5 or 7, instead of a continuous surrounding panel?

Are you baffled by Thomson Video Networks' claim that they have an "all-encompassing video infrastructure" when you can see things in the world not encompassed by it? ( https://www.broadcastingcable.com/post-type-the-wire/thomson... )

Do you think "unmissable TV shows" are literally unmissable? ( https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/unmissable-tv-shows-watch-hulu... )

Why aren't you complaining about Apple calling the iPad Pro "magic"?

Why are you choosing "edge-to-edge" as the hill to die on, when Apple call the iPad Pro "all new" (it isn't), "all screen" (it's not), "all powerful" (it isn't), "a magical piece of glass" (nope) which "does everything you need" (even breathing?), "any way you hold it" (even covering the screen?), "true to life color" (even though you can't represent purples on an RGB screen?), "make everything look gorgeous" (even ugly people?), "the perfect machine for augmented reality" (even more than dedicated glasses? There can never be a better machine for AR?), "immersive games" when you can't immerse yourself literally in them?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by type0 »

Astonishing, mainly I just can't believe they used horizontal scrolling on their page. UX? Nope.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by llampx »

AlexandrB wrote: post #679
gcb0 wrote: post #647

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apple: we won't give you touch screen laptops because touchscreens are garbage also apple: here's a laptop with only touchscreen. fan boys are going to have a field day to sell this one up. (edit: it already started with a workarounds for text input only. let's see how far it will go :)

Touchscreens are garbage on a desktop-oriented OS like macOS. The giant-ass buttons and controls in Windows 10 are one of the things that make it so infuriating for me. I don't want big buttons sucking up screen real-estate everywhere when I have a mouse available for precision input.

UX design in the past 10 years (since the iPhone launched) has incidentally been precisely in the direction of giant buttons everywhere.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

jodrellblank wrote: post #743
exodust wrote: post #719

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The word "edge" in this context, literally means the edge of the device or screen. That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it. The word "lightning" for example, does NOT literally mean "fast". It literally means the electrical energy we see in the sky. When used to describe computer speed, it's obviously a metaphor, and well-understood as a metaphor. You can't just claim something is…

Yes you can. "a word or phrase applied to an object to which it is not literally applicable." 'Edge' applied to an object which is not literally the edge. Metaphor. You can't just claim the definition is not the definition and expect people to side with you over multiple dictionaries. That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it. Literally everyone? Or figuratively everyone? You think the A…

So every single phone on the market can be described as “edge to edge”?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by exodust »

jodrellblank wrote: post #743
exodust wrote: post #719

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The word "edge" in this context, literally means the edge of the device or screen. That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it. The word "lightning" for example, does NOT literally mean "fast". It literally means the electrical energy we see in the sky. When used to describe computer speed, it's obviously a metaphor, and well-understood as a metaphor. You can't just claim something is…

Yes you can. "a word or phrase applied to an object to which it is not literally applicable." 'Edge' applied to an object which is not literally the edge. Metaphor. You can't just claim the definition is not the definition and expect people to side with you over multiple dictionaries. That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it. Literally everyone? Or figuratively everyone? You think the A…

"Edge" refers to the edge of the device. There is no other edge metaphorical or otherwise, imho.

More than definition, how metaphors are used is important.

Is "edge" a metaphor when the actual edge is right there, 9mm from the screen perimeter? There is no metaphor only 'edge-to-edge' window dressing. In the same way "lightning" is not a metaphor in a discussion about thunderstorms.

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