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Re: iPad Pro

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Post by davemp »

bpye wrote: post #408
davemp wrote: post #161

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Nope. Apple would need to do a pretty decent amount of work on iOS to support desktop like behavior. I'm not sure if there's much sales incentive either. Which is a shame because Apple got where it is by pushing the best possible user experiences. Not blind sales maximization.

Surely getting iOS apps working on macOS (Marzipan) is laying some of this ground, they are having to adapt iOS UI widgets for it, what would it take to feed this back to iOS?

I see no real reason to feed it back to iOS. If Apple manages to integrate iOS apps into macOS well, I can see them shipping iPads/iPhones with i+macOS. Both OS's run the same kernel anyways so why not just tweak them a bit, glue the environments together, and have one run a superset of apps?

Apple's superior UX team and control over app distribution makes them much more likely to succeed than when MS tried to go down a similar road. Even their long-term investment in LLVM helps here. One can only hope us consumers don't end up with a more locked down macOS as a result.

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Post by exodust »

Still can't plug in an external USB hard drive? That's a deal-breaker.

Any "pro" device needs to allow wired external storage and basic access to files for transferring to and from storage devices. That's just common sense.

To get my video files and large files, for example from my computer to the iPad, I need to go through iTunes or some annoying and slow wi-fi process, which is needlessly limiting.

In regards to the keynote, the constant applause and cheers from the audience is back, worse than ever. Why would the audience applaud "amount of units sold worldwide"? Just because Tim Cook ramps up his voice and prompts for applause at every bullet point in his powerpoint, doesn't mean the audience should oblige like well-behaved school children.

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Post by asutekku »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #698
wishinghand wrote: post #580

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I fee like if Apple truly didn’t believe they needed a case, they wouldn’t make and sell them.

So if everybody is going to use a case anyway, why isn't the functionality of the case just built into the phone? This applies not just to apple by the way. I've never understood this.

Personalization. People love to express themselves with different cases and having the device even a several mm thicker would make most of the customers look at in disgust, because then with the personalized cases it would by huge. And trust me, outside of tech community, no one wants thick phones.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by p1necone »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #698
wishinghand wrote: post #580

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I fee like if Apple truly didn’t believe they needed a case, they wouldn’t make and sell them.

So if everybody is going to use a case anyway, why isn't the functionality of the case just built into the phone? This applies not just to apple by the way. I've never understood this.

I'd much rather an external 3rd party case. When my $20 case gets worn or damaged I can spend $20 on a new one.

If that was built into the phone it would be much more expensive to replace, and I'd end up just putting another, slightly bigger $20 case around it to prevent that from happening.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by badestrand »

IkmoIkmo wrote: post #650
kllrnohj wrote: post #562

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No matter what it's not a metaphor. You might want to look up what that word actually means.

"a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable."

But you can not just take any words and say it is a metaphor. I can not say "this is a walnut desk" when it isn't and just claim that it's a figure of speech metaphoring a very solid and beautiful desk. A metaphor must be widely understood as such before you can use it.

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Post by brisance »

FiveSquared wrote: post #707
brisance wrote: post #691

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There are lots of tools you can use to develop iOS apps other than Xcode. Phonegap/Cordova/OutSystems, Visual Studio, Xojo, Mendix, LiveCode et al. End of the day, Apple like any other corporation does what it does because it makes money for them. The alternative is to use a "free" operating system like Android and you subject yourself to constant surveillance. It's like that scene in The Big Short; "tell me how you'…

It's called a "hand-built Linux desktop."

Yes, and the market size for that is…?

We don't all grow our own crops, make our own clothes, brew our own beer, refine our own crude oil etc, even though we may have the knowledge to do so. Some things are better left to specialists, due to efficiencies/legal reasons. Surely we can agree on this?

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Post by brisance »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #695
threeseed wrote: post #686

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1. It's not Safari only. It's Webkit only and there are legitimate security reasons for this. 2. The idea that UNIX is antithetical to what Apple stands for is just ridiculous. It is still at the core of iOS and MacOS and is one of the areas where Apple continues to innovate. 3. Apple licensed MacOS in the past. It nearly killed the company since third parties like PowerComputing went straight after their core base a…

>4. You can see what your iOS device is doing. Plenty of apps allow you to see what processes are running, file system behaviour etc. Apple just doesn't build it in. Do you have any examples? I've never seen anything like this in the app store. Some apps give you limited access to their filesystem but (as a Jailbreaker) I'm pretty sure the larger system isn't viewable under normal circumstances.

Search for Lirum. Tons of apps like this.

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Post by millstone »

tokyodude wrote: post #709
threeseed wrote: post #686

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1. It's not Safari only. It's Webkit only and there are legitimate security reasons for this. 2. The idea that UNIX is antithetical to what Apple stands for is just ridiculous. It is still at the core of iOS and MacOS and is one of the areas where Apple continues to innovate. 3. Apple licensed MacOS in the past. It nearly killed the company since third parties like PowerComputing went straight after their core base a…

There are not legitimate security reasons for Webkit only. That makes zero sense. Chrome has hands down beat every other browser on security for years. Go read the CVEs. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that iOS webkit has a better track record than webkit at large. Therefore it's nearly certain your iOS device is less secure browsing the net with webkit/Safari than if Apple allowed real chrome to run there…

You misunderstand. Apple can fix WebKit bugs, but they can't force Google to fix Chrome bugs.

Also for Apple to allow v8, they would have to permit 3rd party unsigned executable code (JITed in this case). Apple doesn't want to allow that.

This is not about CVEs, it's a meta discussion of not outsourcing the security of the platform.

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Post by exodust »

jodrellblank wrote: post #683
kllrnohj wrote: post #562

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No matter what it's not a metaphor. You might want to look up what that word actually means.

I Google'd "define:metaphor" and it says "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable." and... Grammarly says "A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn’t literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison." Soooo this supports the idea that "edge-to-edge" can be descriptive but not liter…

No.

The word "edge" in this context, literally means the edge of the device or screen. That's everyone's understanding. There is nothing metaphorical about it.

The word "lightning" for example, does NOT literally mean "fast". It literally means the electrical energy we see in the sky. When used to describe computer speed, it's obviously a metaphor, and well-understood as a metaphor.

You can't just claim something is a "metaphor" to excuse false marketing.

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Post by byproxy »

threeseed wrote: post #686
SiVal wrote: post #617

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The reason Apple cares so much more about iOS than MacOS is vastly increased control. With iOS, they control the hardware from the chips up, the OS, which apps you can run, and via Safari-only access to the internet, even what you can and can't do using external services. It makes computing & communications an Apple theme park, where you can't bring anything forbidden into the park, have to buy everything you need fr…

1. It's not Safari only. It's Webkit only and there are legitimate security reasons for this. 2. The idea that UNIX is antithetical to what Apple stands for is just ridiculous. It is still at the core of iOS and MacOS and is one of the areas where Apple continues to innovate. 3. Apple licensed MacOS in the past. It nearly killed the company since third parties like PowerComputing went straight after their core base a…

I do feel it odd to say content creation will be done on a desktop OS rather than a mobile OS when it seems that more and more people are using their mobile OS as a primary means of creation and sharing. Maybe in a less powerful way, but mobile OS apps and hardware have really democratized content creation and I don't see that trend reversing.
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