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Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by Frondo »

ColanR wrote: post #35
porker wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I appreciate the political work, I would like to see better leadership at Firefox, and less spent on side and failed projects.

Too bad the founder was kicked out for political reasons. It would have been nice if FF could have focused on technology, while being agnostic to the politics.

He wasn't kicked out -- he resigned.

And it was for political reasons that stood to directly affect an unknown number of his employees, the people whose lives would be directly affected by his donation to the anti-gay marriage thing; if those people raise a stink because he's trying to use government to interfere in their lives, I can't fault them.

"I'm going to use my wealth and power to negatively impact your life -- but don't talk about it, that's political." Nope.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#102

Post by drdaeman »

hadrien01 wrote: post #38
drdaeman wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's a total mess. I've worked on a protocol re-implementation for personal use, and I assure you it's quite ugly. And it's a moving target that changes once in a while, so supporting that is essentially being at Mozilla's mercy. Mozilla's Kinto could do the trick, though. I haven't dug inside but protocol-wise it looks quite good to my personal tastes. I believe this is what actually Mozilla wants to eventua…

Are you talking about Sync-1.1 or Sync-1.5 (post-2016)?

Sync-1.5 and Accounts. I used to run Sync-1.0 and it was okay. At least I didn't have to bother about protocol details. And now, even though it's FLOSS, it's still unmaintained abandonware so I don't think it's a good target.

1.5 is very different to 1.0.

Just consider the fact that to log in to Accounts and use Sync you need to use three auth protocols: HAWK, OAuth2 and BrowserID. And serve a webpage with some custom JS (that iOS version for some reason would reject to load).

And Sync alone is full of proprietary[1] stuff like X-Weave-Timestamp headers, application/newlines MIME type (seriously, not even a vendor extension), etc. It could've easily been WebDAV plus a few small protocol extensions where things didn't fit well. It is not.

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[1] "Proprietary" as in "unique to this project, neither used by anything else, nor usable by anything else because it's poorly documented moving target without change warnings" not as in "non-FLOSS".

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#103

Post by drdaeman »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #41
drdaeman wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's a total mess. I've worked on a protocol re-implementation for personal use, and I assure you it's quite ugly. And it's a moving target that changes once in a while, so supporting that is essentially being at Mozilla's mercy. Mozilla's Kinto could do the trick, though. I haven't dug inside but protocol-wise it looks quite good to my personal tastes. I believe this is what actually Mozilla wants to eventua…

Realtime-notification could be implementad as an optional service running besides the dumb storage, triggered by whatever. It's not that bookmark-sync is so important for most people that they cannot wait some minutes till a periodical checker fetches the updates.

Sync is not just about bookmarks, but also about open tabs and passwords.

I'd say it's quite desirable for one's phone to immediately catch up with their desktop. Open the same site using the tab list, have the password ready, etc.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#104

Post by NO_CHANGE »

dorian-graph wrote: post #98
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #21

(25 years FF user) Trying out Vivaldi 2.0, tab management is much better than Firefox, e.g. Vertical Tab View shows closed tabs, I can drag & drop closed tabs into a window to just reopen them.

No tree style tabs though

You can group tabs and use the Window sidebar to view grouped tabs as indented items. I disable the tab bar and use the Window sidebar exclusively.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#105

Post by NO_CHANGE »

kleff wrote: post #56

I was really hoping 2.0 would include the integrated e-mail client they teased a looong time ago. By now I think that is the only feature I still miss from the Opera 12 days.

The email client was also really handy for reading rss feeds. It made the notes tool more useful for grabbing web content and then composing an email with it.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#106

Post by djsumdog »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #76
knfzn wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox has been out for 25 years? Or are you referring to Mozilla also?

Mosaic on an SGI or VAX/Tektronix not sure which one arrived first, we had both in our Unix pool at university.

NSCA Mosaic also made its way into IE. It's gone now, but as late as IE6, it was still referenced in the About dialogue.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#107

Post by NO_CHANGE »

I love it. It feels like I'm using Opera 12 again. 72 open tabs in my current window with 24 closed tabs.

What's even nicer is having tabs grouped by topics I've been looking at where I collapse most of them to save visual space in the tab tree.

Bookmark sync was the last thing I needed to switch away from Opera. It helps to have shared bookmarks when I run separate profiles for work and hobbies.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#108

Post by mtarnovan »

rayascott wrote: post #87

Can any browser out there, Vivaldi or otherwise, take the tabs of a window and save the corresponding list of URLs so I can reopen that window of tabs at a later date? That’s one essential feature I want from a browser, I’ve grown to desire more over the years, but for some strange reason, no browser I’ve seen out there allows you to treat sets of URLs as such.

You can do that with stock Chrome, no extensions needed. Bookmarks->Bookmark all, then a bookmark folder has "Open all".

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by stonogo »

sosborn wrote: post #77
toyg wrote: post #12

I’ve used Vivaldi for a bit, and it’s a nice browser. Coming from Chrome, there is a pretty painless transition since most extensions will work fine. However, Vivaldi does nothing to improve the state of the web. It’s just another webkit, fostering the monoculture; and their business model and practices are basically the same as Google’s, just on a smaller scale.

> It’s just another webkit, fostering the monoculture; Ignoring that Blink and Webkit are feature identical, what negative effects are there with an open source rendering engine monoculture?

It ossifies every layer of the stack below it. Once you have a practical monoculture, user demand effectively cements the entire underlying operating system design to cater to the browser implementation. Fine if you're selling Chromebooks, but fatal for innovation.

Once the operating system is encased in amber, only a massive budget can break new ground -- this is why things like Plan 9 from Bell Labs will never take off. It's why Haiku is importing more and more BSD code instead of pursuing their own paradigms. It's why the only realistic chance for anything new is Google's Fuchsia; they're one of a very few organizations who can afford to innovate in this environment.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#110

Post by rayascott »

pennaMan wrote: post #92
rayascott wrote: post #87

Can any browser out there, Vivaldi or otherwise, take the tabs of a window and save the corresponding list of URLs so I can reopen that window of tabs at a later date? That’s one essential feature I want from a browser, I’ve grown to desire more over the years, but for some strange reason, no browser I’ve seen out there allows you to treat sets of URLs as such.

There are extensions for Chrome and Firefox that do exactly that. https://www.one-tab.com/

Thanks for the extensions but my idea is more around browsers treating our activity more as multiple projects that we’re working on. Like associated files, they’re associated URLs. Extensions are fool, but you’d think the browser wars would spur greater innovation in this area.
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