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Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by toyg »

_red wrote: post #16
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is spending millions on political goals, failed OS' etc. Only a small portion is put into the progress of FF - speeding up rendering a notable exception.

Ever since they forced out Brendan (co-founder and creator of javascript no less) because of their political intolerance, FF has really started to go down hill. Each release you have to go through more about:config settings to turn off all their "helper" apps (ie. spyware partnerships).

> Ever since they forced out Brendan [...] FF has really started to go down hill

I'm sorry you weren't around when Firefox (then called Phoenix) was really good, but most FF problems pre-date 2014. They are actually being addressed just about now.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by eirki »

toyg wrote: post #44
ljoshua wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to expand on "their business model and practices are basically same as Google's?" As far as I understand it, it's paid placement for search engines and bookmarks [0], and potentially attaching aff links to some search results [1]. Isn't that pretty much the same model as Mozilla and Firefox? Kind of a far cry from being a data aggregator and an ad company, right? [0]: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/20277/vivald…

Last I checked (admittedly a couple of years ago), they also did some tracking behind the scenes, in the bit of code that they had pointedly not released. The undercurrent vibe at the time was that there was no real guarantee that they wouldn't shop around your aggregated data; all I read in that interview is that they have not been "forced" to do it yet, but hey, "life is life" kinda thing. They still do little more…

My impression is that they've explicitly advertised their intention not to sell user data:

  We’ve always taken data security extremely seriously. And we’ve long believed that everything you store in your browser belongs to you — which is why we’ll never sell your data, or willingly compromise your privacy

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by kowdermeister »

toyg wrote: post #45
mfer wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vivaldi is chromium based rather than webkit. Google is more than a browser manufacturer. Their business model is mostly ads. Things like Chrome feed back into that (collecting data on people and using it to personalize other experiences... like ads). How is Vivaldi's business model similar?

> Vivaldi is chromium based rather than webkit. Sorry, I'm so oldschool that for me the two are still basically the same -- after all, blink was a webkit fork, which was a khtml fork. > How is Vivaldi's business model similar? See my other comment.

And after all humans are rodent forks :)

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by ComputerGuru »

Vivaldi has severe touchpad scroll lag under Windows, making it neigh unusable (with and without smooth scrolling enabled). How do developers manage to consistently break functionality that is natively implemented correctly in the OS?

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by toyg »

eirki wrote: post #52
toyg wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked (admittedly a couple of years ago), they also did some tracking behind the scenes, in the bit of code that they had pointedly not released. The undercurrent vibe at the time was that there was no real guarantee that they wouldn't shop around your aggregated data; all I read in that interview is that they have not been "forced" to do it yet, but hey, "life is life" kinda thing. They still do little more…

My impression is that they've explicitly advertised their intention not to sell user data: We’ve always taken data security extremely seriously. And we’ve long believed that everything you store in your browser belongs to you — which is why we’ll never sell your data, or willingly compromise your privacy

New copy on the day Chrome is in the middle of a privacy-related storm, what a coincidence.

From the (older) interview you linked: 'The aim is to earn a dollar per year per user. "We're almost there," he says. "I think we can do more than that and still be nice guys and not sell out our users or do anything silly."' That's hardly cast-iron, especially considering that Opera did indeed sell out eventually (yeah I know that "it was complicated", but that's basically what it boiled down to). But hey, in the end, trust is individual, so more power to them. I just think their impact on the web at large will never be as significant as Mozilla's, if they continue on this track.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by pacifika »

anon92612 wrote: post #27

Does anyone know if Vivaldi (and Brave), render HTML/CSS/JS just like Chrome does? I know they are both based on Chromium, but just wondering if Google adds some "Googliness" to Chrome? As a web developer, if I just test my sites against Vivaldi, Brave, or other Chromium based browsers, can I guaranteed the rendering will be identical to Chrome? Or is it safer to also test in Chrome? Also, do all Chrome extensions wo…

yes, no not to the engine, yes, no and most but not all.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by the_duke »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #24
porker wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I appreciate the political work, I would like to see better leadership at Firefox, and less spent on side and failed projects.

I have nothing against political work, but I think they should just give money to the EFF instead of doing their own - they are much better at the job, imagine what they would do with 300M$. And FF should focus on the browser because this is their cash cow, and progress is needed. But as the declining usage numbers show, FF employes just do what they want, riding FF to death then jumping ship to raid the next project…

Left in the dust? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Current Firefox is better than ever for me.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by cja »

_trampeltier wrote: post #5

I love Vivaldi. Really a great browser. Special the you can see more than one tab at once, that's a really nice feature on todays large 32" and 43" screens. I wonder why nobody else does it. Vivaldi has it since beginning.

I have been able to put two browser windows side by side in every operating system I've used since I first used the web in 1998.
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