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Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by PurpleRamen »

drdaeman wrote: post #33
hadrien01 wrote: post #11

Why not integrate an open-source system like Firefox Sync?

Because it's a total mess. I've worked on a protocol re-implementation for personal use, and I assure you it's quite ugly. And it's a moving target that changes once in a while, so supporting that is essentially being at Mozilla's mercy. Mozilla's Kinto could do the trick, though. I haven't dug inside but protocol-wise it looks quite good to my personal tastes. I believe this is what actually Mozilla wants to eventua…

Realtime-notification could be implementad as an optional service running besides the dumb storage, triggered by whatever.

It's not that bookmark-sync is so important for most people that they cannot wait some minutes till a periodical checker fetches the updates.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by ljoshua »

toyg wrote: post #12

I’ve used Vivaldi for a bit, and it’s a nice browser. Coming from Chrome, there is a pretty painless transition since most extensions will work fine. However, Vivaldi does nothing to improve the state of the web. It’s just another webkit, fostering the monoculture; and their business model and practices are basically the same as Google’s, just on a smaller scale.

Care to expand on "their business model and practices are basically same as Google's?"

As far as I understand it, it's paid placement for search engines and bookmarks [0], and potentially attaching aff links to some search results [1]. Isn't that pretty much the same model as Mozilla and Firefox? Kind of a far cry from being a data aggregator and an ad company, right?

[0]: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/20277/vivaldi-income/2 [1]: http://www.itpro.co.uk/desktop-software/29904/jon-von-tetzch...

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by mfer »

toyg wrote: post #12

I’ve used Vivaldi for a bit, and it’s a nice browser. Coming from Chrome, there is a pretty painless transition since most extensions will work fine. However, Vivaldi does nothing to improve the state of the web. It’s just another webkit, fostering the monoculture; and their business model and practices are basically the same as Google’s, just on a smaller scale.

Vivaldi is chromium based rather than webkit.

Google is more than a browser manufacturer. Their business model is mostly ads. Things like Chrome feed back into that (collecting data on people and using it to personalize other experiences... like ads). How is Vivaldi's business model similar?

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by toyg »

ljoshua wrote: post #42
toyg wrote: post #12

I’ve used Vivaldi for a bit, and it’s a nice browser. Coming from Chrome, there is a pretty painless transition since most extensions will work fine. However, Vivaldi does nothing to improve the state of the web. It’s just another webkit, fostering the monoculture; and their business model and practices are basically the same as Google’s, just on a smaller scale.

Care to expand on "their business model and practices are basically same as Google's?" As far as I understand it, it's paid placement for search engines and bookmarks [0], and potentially attaching aff links to some search results [1]. Isn't that pretty much the same model as Mozilla and Firefox? Kind of a far cry from being a data aggregator and an ad company, right? [0]: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/20277/vivald…

Last I checked (admittedly a couple of years ago), they also did some tracking behind the scenes, in the bit of code that they had pointedly not released. The undercurrent vibe at the time was that there was no real guarantee that they wouldn't shop around your aggregated data; all I read in that interview is that they have not been "forced" to do it yet, but hey, "life is life" kinda thing. They still do little more than throwing tarballs over the fence every once in a while, with a muddy license that follows the letter rather than the spirit of opensource. There is no real bugtracker nor transparent development practices.

I understand why they do it (people gotta eat), but to me that looks even less trustworthy than Mozilla, which at least has a certain entrenched culture that typically tries (not always successfully) to blunt the worst corporate decisions, and follows real opensource practices.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by toyg »

mfer wrote: post #43
toyg wrote: post #12

I’ve used Vivaldi for a bit, and it’s a nice browser. Coming from Chrome, there is a pretty painless transition since most extensions will work fine. However, Vivaldi does nothing to improve the state of the web. It’s just another webkit, fostering the monoculture; and their business model and practices are basically the same as Google’s, just on a smaller scale.

Vivaldi is chromium based rather than webkit. Google is more than a browser manufacturer. Their business model is mostly ads. Things like Chrome feed back into that (collecting data on people and using it to personalize other experiences... like ads). How is Vivaldi's business model similar?

> Vivaldi is chromium based rather than webkit.

Sorry, I'm so oldschool that for me the two are still basically the same -- after all, blink was a webkit fork, which was a khtml fork.

> How is Vivaldi's business model similar?

See my other comment.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by knfzn »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #21

(25 years FF user) Trying out Vivaldi 2.0, tab management is much better than Firefox, e.g. Vertical Tab View shows closed tabs, I can drag & drop closed tabs into a window to just reopen them.

Firefox has been out for 25 years? Or are you referring to Mozilla also?

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by toyg »

ColanR wrote: post #35
porker wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I appreciate the political work, I would like to see better leadership at Firefox, and less spent on side and failed projects.

Too bad the founder was kicked out for political reasons. It would have been nice if FF could have focused on technology, while being agnostic to the politics.

"The" founder? Eich was hired by the original Netscape, and ended up as one of the many "founders" that moved to the Mozilla project from there. He did not "found" Firefox either, that project was started by others.
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