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Post by scarface74 »

ajmurmann wrote: post #132
dm8 wrote: post #123

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I work at an ad-tech startup, and I hear you. Ad-tech has lot of rotten apples. Advertising done right (aka unobtrusive, privacy conscious, and value additive) is a great for free information exchange. Bad ad is always bad, but ad may not always be bad. There are lot of people working on it (including my startup) to solve the problem that are fraught with ad-tech in general and we are making progress but there is lot…

How can an advertisement not be bad? Ultimately it's always the goal to get someone to buy something they otherwise wouldn't. Even if you catch someone when they are already are looking to buy a product from your category you are trying to get them to buy your product instead of the competitor's. What would be helpful to the user in that moment is a product comparison that's honest and unbiased and not an advertiseme…

There are a lot of products that I’ve either bought, recommended, or put up on my “list of things I’ll keep in my mind if I’m in the market” based solely on ads - mostly podcast ads:

BackBlaze - I think is s great service.

Hover: Anything is better than Godaddy.

Linode: I’ve recommended it to people who wanted cheap hosting.

Casper: recommended to a college student. His parents were happy with it.

SquareSpace - anytime someone wants a website, I recommend them first.

Ting - I recommended someone check it out.

Betterment - I did my own research but I first heard about it on a podcast.

Synology: on my list when my hard drive fills up.

Eero - I don’t need it, but if someone asked me what to get, it would be the top of mind.

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Post by ajmurmann »

dm8 wrote: post #160
ajmurmann wrote: post #132

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How can an advertisement not be bad? Ultimately it's always the goal to get someone to buy something they otherwise wouldn't. Even if you catch someone when they are already are looking to buy a product from your category you are trying to get them to buy your product instead of the competitor's. What would be helpful to the user in that moment is a product comparison that's honest and unbiased and not an advertiseme…

> How can an advertisement not be bad? Ultimately it's always the goal to get someone to buy something they otherwise wouldn't. Brand/product awareness. Sometimes you don't know what you want. And sometimes you don't know if certain product/solution exists for the problem you are facing. Believe it or not, one of my favorite apps is MyFitnessPal, I downloaded it via an ad because I was looking was health/fitness cate…

Your MyFitnessPal example seems more like luck to me than the norm. Ideally Google (or something similar) would naturally suggest MyFitnessPal to you based on your search history and ideally you'd get a comparison with other similar products. If Google knows you are interested in the product, why do they require payment from the vendor to tell you about the solution to your need?

Of course advertisements lead to spread of new products. That just means they work, not that they are necessarily beneficial to users. Every advertiser might believe that their product is beneficial to the user and therefore they are helping the consumer by telling them about the product. In reality that cannot be true for most advertisers.

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Post by Jellebean »

fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

How is this comment related to the article?

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Post by snaky »

illumin8 wrote: post #124
spectrum1234 wrote: post #104

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I generally agree. However without ads, how do you expect poor people to have (free) access to radio, magazines (well, cheaper), antenna tv?

If we truly paid what it cost for content, instead of fueling about $1 trillion in middle-men, creators could get paid (very handsomely) and we wouldn't have as many societal problems. I'm cautiously optimistic that a utility token like BAT, or some other way that people can provide micro-payments for content will win in the end. I'd gladly pay $0.25 to read a well written article on the Internet, so long as it went…

Micropayments used to be great idea, but didn't get traction.

By the way, for example of not-ad-driven internet you might look at China, where podcasts is $7 bln business (direct fees and subscriptions), video blogging is of course full of celebrities promoting big brands, but for the main part is still about direct "gifts" from viewers to tens of thousands of bloggers.

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Post by exodust »

> Keep the feedback coming

Okay sure... please provide opt-out or disable option for the "Account Chooser" you currently force on everyone for web login.

I don't want my credentials hanging around on the page after I click 'sign out'.

The function of remembering login details on web forms is better left up to my browser, where saved logins are remembered according to my settings and choice, per site. It's not Google's place to stomp all over the well-understood concept of "sign out", with this half-baked "sort of signed out" reinvention.

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Post by toast0 »

snaky wrote: post #158
olliej wrote: post #145

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Firefox and Mozilla were not a small startup - they had (comparatively) boatloads of money (now they have even more) and a huge number of free developers :)

> and a huge number of free developers Why do you think the search engine is unable to build a model leveraging a huge number of free developers?

A web search engine requires a huge amount of computing resources to crawl the web, make sense of the connections, and to serve the resulting indexes.

You'll need some people too probably.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by statictype »

tptacek wrote: post #2

Like Eric Law[1], I felt like while there were some rough spots in the UX for the Chrome login and sync features, the issue was very overblown (I'd feel very differently if sync had been enabled automatically). I don't have much more to say than Law does --- except maybe that when your arch-competitor is speaking out on your behalf , maybe the narrative has gone a little haywire. I figured Google would do something c…

The sync thing was overblown. The cookies thing was a bit more concerning to me.

Not so much from a privacy angle but from more of a 'Chrome has lots its way' angle.

A lot of our software's more complex interfaces are Chrome-first since its faster to develop - yesterday was the first time I made a serious consideration to change that approach.

Glad to see they are listening to user feedback and reacting quickly.

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