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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by p1mrx »

School-Cotton wrote: post #76
danShumway wrote: post #30

Unfortunately, Chrome 70 is also when `www` subdomain is slated to get re-hidden, and when web audio breaking changes are slated to get re-introduced. There's just too much to keep up with at this point. I'm happy about this change, it's a big move in the right direction. But it doesn't give me any confidence for the future. It's crazy that users have to do this every single release. It can't continue like this. I ha…

A Google representative has claimed on the domain hiding bug report that the change is shelved due to the feedback. Edit: Permalink to the relevant comment: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=883038...

Too bad there wasn't enough feedback about http:// and https:// hiding to make any difference. The biggest problem is that the two are hidden differently.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by cmurf »

muizelaar wrote: post #46
ericabiz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

Neither of those bugs have to do with 100% CPU on rMBP. Their about using an inefficient presentation path which increases GPU power usage. You can mitigate this today by setting gfx.compositor.glcontext.opaque to true. Further, Firefox Beta has additional texture upload performance improvements that will reduce cpu usage. If you're actually experiencing 100% cpu usage, post a profile using https://perf-html.io/ and…

All I have to do is load gmail and it'll hit over 100% CPU in top. Usually between 125% and 175%. http://bit.ly/2QaGqzJ

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by dm8 »

fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

I work at an ad-tech startup, and I hear you. Ad-tech has lot of rotten apples. Advertising done right (aka unobtrusive, privacy conscious, and value additive) is a great for free information exchange. Bad ad is always bad, but ad may not always be bad.

There are lot of people working on it (including my startup) to solve the problem that are fraught with ad-tech in general and we are making progress but there is lot of inertia in the industry when it comes to change.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by illumin8 »

spectrum1234 wrote: post #104
fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

I generally agree. However without ads, how do you expect poor people to have (free) access to radio, magazines (well, cheaper), antenna tv?

If we truly paid what it cost for content, instead of fueling about $1 trillion in middle-men, creators could get paid (very handsomely) and we wouldn't have as many societal problems.

I'm cautiously optimistic that a utility token like BAT, or some other way that people can provide micro-payments for content will win in the end. I'd gladly pay $0.25 to read a well written article on the Internet, so long as it went to the creator and didn't fund the advertising machine.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by Zarel »

_wmd wrote: post #15
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The noise was a distraction; the noisy were complaining about sync, which the change did not enable without an additional consent, as always.

I set up Chrome remote desktop for a family member today, and absolutely sync is enabled simply by signing in. Sure, it presents "Undo" after the fact, but on visiting the associated Google account, it had already copied everything. I have NFC where this article sourced "sync isn't automatic", but it clearly is. Zero UI indicator it's happening until the Undo button appears, by which time you've already been ripped o…

I tested this literally yesterday, created a new Chrome profile, logged in, and it didn't automatically turn on Sync.

I just tested again now, and took screenshots this time, and once again, it didn't automatically turn on Sync.

https://imgur.com/a/ceShKkl

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by alasdair_ »

fermienrico wrote: post #109
codezero wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to age myself I remember how cool Google was in 1999. The joy of actually finding what you wanted and not getting sucked into some ad sponsored portal. Now Google is the portal. I’m done with it.

Google has invested billions into search and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the search business. For example, imagine a company that allows you to search the internet without ads but charging say $2.99/month fee to use it. Even if I am willing to pay, the search accuracy and ability for a small company to compete with google is nearly impossible. So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckG…

>So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckGo. They recently got funding and I feel like they’re “cool” right now until if they grow huge and we are back to square one.

DuckDuckGo's primary selling point is privacy. If they infringe on that, they die.

Also, I just switched to an iPhone again after years of using Android, for similar reasons. Apple is scary but right now I want to distance myself from Google as much as possible.

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Post by [deleted] »

spectrum1234 wrote: post #104
fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

I generally agree. However without ads, how do you expect poor people to have (free) access to radio, magazines (well, cheaper), antenna tv?

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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by fermienrico »

dm8 wrote: post #123
fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

I work at an ad-tech startup, and I hear you. Ad-tech has lot of rotten apples. Advertising done right (aka unobtrusive, privacy conscious, and value additive) is a great for free information exchange. Bad ad is always bad, but ad may not always be bad. There are lot of people working on it (including my startup) to solve the problem that are fraught with ad-tech in general and we are making progress but there is lot…

I feel like Advertisement should be a “pull” rather than “push” model.

I want to see different vendors when I decide to buy something. But when I’m on Instagram and browsing pictures, please don’t sell me a chef’s knife or a guitar.

I have no experience in marketing and advertisement. But from a user standpoint, I want to look through Yellow Pages and Vendor catalogs. Not bombarded with ads all the time. What are your thoughts?

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by ehsankia »

zbrozek wrote: post #64
ehsankia wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's literally nothing they could've said that would make them change their mind. This is the most reasonable response Google could've given. They've addressed every issue as promptly as possible, yet people just dismiss is as PR. It's a lose-lose battle, no matter what they do, people like this will always spin it in a negative way with zero justification.

They could have removed the feature entirely, or set it to a privacy-friendly and least-surprise friendly default.

Sync is off by default, how is that not privacy friendly?

They will be deleting all cookies by default, how is that now privacy friendly?

The core feature itself, setting it off by default defeats the whole point of the feature, because it's for the 99.99% of users that are not power-users. It's also not a privacy issue because, again, sync is off by default.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by fermienrico »

alasdair_ wrote: post #126
fermienrico wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has invested billions into search and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the search business. For example, imagine a company that allows you to search the internet without ads but charging say $2.99/month fee to use it. Even if I am willing to pay, the search accuracy and ability for a small company to compete with google is nearly impossible. So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckG…

>So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckGo. They recently got funding and I feel like they’re “cool” right now until if they grow huge and we are back to square one. DuckDuckGo's primary selling point is privacy. If they infringe on that, they die. Also, I just switched to an iPhone again after years of using Android, for similar reasons. Apple is scary but right now I want to distance myself from Google as m…

If their selling point is privacy, it conflicts with target advertisement business model. I’m curious how they plan to be profitable? Perhaps just good ol’ non targeted advertisement without user profiling?
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