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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#101

Post by codezero »

fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

Not to age myself I remember how cool Google was in 1999. The joy of actually finding what you wanted and not getting sucked into some ad sponsored portal.

Now Google is the portal. I’m done with it.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#102

Post by ericabiz »

mycelium wrote: post #87
ericabiz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steps to reproduce: 1) Pick a rMBP. Any one. 2) Set display options - "more space" under System Preferences. 3) Run Firefox. Load any website. No extensions; safe mode doesn't matter. 4) 100%+ CPU, fans kick up and run high, system gets hot and slows to a crawl. Chrome and Safari run totally fine under the same conditions. It's documented pretty thoroughly in the first Bugzilla link I posted; the second one is an off…

I spent a few minutes trying to replicate on a MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2013) with Firefox 62.0.2 and could not replicate, browsing a number of resource intense sites.

Interesting, as this is the same MBP I have, and same Firefox version. I now have a perf file showing the issue. Can't upload it (it gives an error), but would be happy to send it to anyone who thinks they can help.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#103

Post by JonathonW »

ericabiz wrote: post #55
muizelaar wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those bugs have to do with 100% CPU on rMBP. Their about using an inefficient presentation path which increases GPU power usage. You can mitigate this today by setting gfx.compositor.glcontext.opaque to true. Further, Firefox Beta has additional texture upload performance improvements that will reduce cpu usage. If you're actually experiencing 100% cpu usage, post a profile using https://perf-html.io/ and…

Steps to reproduce: 1) Pick a rMBP. Any one. 2) Set display options - "more space" under System Preferences. 3) Run Firefox. Load any website. No extensions; safe mode doesn't matter. 4) 100%+ CPU, fans kick up and run high, system gets hot and slows to a crawl. Chrome and Safari run totally fine under the same conditions. It's documented pretty thoroughly in the first Bugzilla link I posted; the second one is an off…

Can't reproduce that here (on either of two different machines)-- something else may be going on on your machine.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#104

Post by spectrum1234 »

fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

I generally agree. However without ads, how do you expect poor people to have (free) access to radio, magazines (well, cheaper), antenna tv?

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#105

Post by inetknght »

ericabiz wrote: post #55
muizelaar wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those bugs have to do with 100% CPU on rMBP. Their about using an inefficient presentation path which increases GPU power usage. You can mitigate this today by setting gfx.compositor.glcontext.opaque to true. Further, Firefox Beta has additional texture upload performance improvements that will reduce cpu usage. If you're actually experiencing 100% cpu usage, post a profile using https://perf-html.io/ and…

Steps to reproduce: 1) Pick a rMBP. Any one. 2) Set display options - "more space" under System Preferences. 3) Run Firefox. Load any website. No extensions; safe mode doesn't matter. 4) 100%+ CPU, fans kick up and run high, system gets hot and slows to a crawl. Chrome and Safari run totally fine under the same conditions. It's documented pretty thoroughly in the first Bugzilla link I posted; the second one is an off…

I'm not sure what it is with your MBP but my Firefox does the same thing anytime I open a phys.org page -- one Firefox at work using Ubuntu 16.04 and the other at home using Windows 7 both exhibit it.

Edit: Actually I just checked and the Windows 7 machine doesn't do it any more. I'm not sure if maybe a Firefox update fixed that here. I'll double check at work tomorrow too

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#106

Post by thom_nic »

ericabiz wrote: post #35
eslaught wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know exactly what conditions are required to reproduce the bug, but it clearly does not apply to all rMBPs. I'm on a 15-inch 2016 rMBP and have been using Firefox on it successfully since I got it. Before that I spent a couple months on a 2013 rMBP, also no problems. Edit: For people who want to compare notes: High Sierra 10.13.6, Firefox 62.0.2, resolution is set to "Default for display" (which I think does…

It happens when you set your rMBP display to "Scaled" in display preferences, which is what most developers do. (Edit to your edit: Try the "More Space" option in your display preferences! It's amazing.)

I tried this as well, can't reproduce.

I've got a 15" "late 2013" rMBP, set display options to "more space." I've got a total of 45 tabs open between a couple different windows (I use the userChrome hack to re-enable multiple tab rows.) Cycled between tabs, refreshed, navigated around FB, GMail, etc. Can't get the CPU to do anything out of the ordinary.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#107

Post by shawn »

tptacek wrote: post #2

Like Eric Law[1], I felt like while there were some rough spots in the UX for the Chrome login and sync features, the issue was very overblown (I'd feel very differently if sync had been enabled automatically). I don't have much more to say than Law does --- except maybe that when your arch-competitor is speaking out on your behalf , maybe the narrative has gone a little haywire. I figured Google would do something c…

So to test how quickly my comments drop to the bottom, I have a question regarding that blog.

What is that photo at the top? https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/89c27d27b73dd3690b3dad59f...

We thought it was a dog, but then it was obvious it's in space. Now it just looks like a stuffed animal in space.

EDIT: Ah good, all of my comments start at the very bottom: https://imgur.com/yvYKXu4

This is an amusing way of framing a ban. Supposedly it's a three-month probation.

Oh well, let's make the best of it. October's coming up. How about a ghost story? "Once upon a time, there was an HN user. Now only those with showdead enabled can see him..."

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#108

Post by romed »

fermienrico wrote: post #84
nhf wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on what I know of the Chrome team, it was probably the conclusion of some UX manager or the result of a user study they did around Google authentication. If I had to guess: their end goal is not explicitly to collect more advertising data for Google, but it's to minimize friction around the use of Google services. This leads to decisions like the cookie one.

I don’t know why but I get an intense feeling of disgust at “people at higher position” making stupid decisions like this one. My cynicism kicks in and I feel like they know exactly what they’re doing, but the bottom line is more important than anything including causing a PR storm on HN and tech blogs. Strip down emperor’s clothes and truly reveal the nature of big corporations and their greed to ruin everything for…

In my experience at Google, "people at higher positions" do not really make these kinds of decisions. Someone at the leafmost position in the organization comes up with some research and recommendations and if nobody stops them, they go ahead and do it. It's actually really disorganized.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#109

Post by fermienrico »

codezero wrote: post #101
fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

Not to age myself I remember how cool Google was in 1999. The joy of actually finding what you wanted and not getting sucked into some ad sponsored portal. Now Google is the portal. I’m done with it.

Google has invested billions into search and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the search business.

For example, imagine a company that allows you to search the internet without ads but charging say $2.99/month fee to use it. Even if I am willing to pay, the search accuracy and ability for a small company to compete with google is nearly impossible.

So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckGo. They recently got funding and I feel like they’re “cool” right now until if they grow huge and we are back to square one.

This is the endless corporate loop we are stuck with.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#110

Post by fermienrico »

spectrum1234 wrote: post #104
fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

I generally agree. However without ads, how do you expect poor people to have (free) access to radio, magazines (well, cheaper), antenna tv?

At this rate, the poor are better off without tv, radio and magazines. They’re largely just an entry portal into psychological extortion by these advertising firms.

I’m a huge fan of publicly funded media such as NPR and your local public radio station.

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