Product Updates Based on Your Feedback • Hacker News Board

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by muizelaar » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:42 AM UTC

cmurf wrote: post #122

muizelaar wrote: post #46

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Neither of those bugs have to do with 100% CPU on rMBP. Their about using an inefficient presentation path which increases GPU power usage. You can mitigate this today by setting gfx.compositor.glcontext.opaque to true. Further, Firefox Beta has additional texture upload performance improvements that will reduce cpu usage. If you're actually experiencing 100% cpu usage, post a profile using https://perf-html.io/ and…

All I have to do is load gmail and it'll hit over 100% CPU in top. Usually between 125% and 175%. http://bit.ly/2QaGqzJ

That profile shows all of the time being spent in script execution. Are you sure that setting a different resolution has a dramatic effect on the amount of CPU being used?

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by saurik » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:43 AM UTC

snaky wrote: post #137

fermienrico wrote: post #109

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Google has invested billions into search and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the search business. For example, imagine a company that allows you to search the internet without ads but charging say $2.99/month fee to use it. Even if I am willing to pay, the search accuracy and ability for a small company to compete with google is nearly impossible. So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckG…

Microsoft has invested billions into Internet Explorer and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the browser business. IE Firefox 2009 Q4 66.42% 21.13% 2003 Q2 94.43% 2.22% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Th...

Remember that we, the people, sued Microsoft and forced a settlement -- a scenario which also led to the CEO of Microsoft stepping down.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by keithnz » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:43 AM UTC

thrower123 wrote: post #80

IBM wrote: post #77

>While we think sign-in consistency will help many of our users, we’re adding a control that allows users to turn off linking web-based sign-in with browser-based sign-in—that way users have more control over their experience. For users that disable this feature, signing into a Google website will not sign them into Chrome. The pretext of this feature is supposedly that people who share computers are accidentally sig…

Sadly, its remarkably rare that people have accounts on a home PC. You can still setup a windows desktop with a password-less account, and many people do.

do you have any information that backs this up? I'd be quite surprised if this was the case

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by signal11 » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:43 AM UTC

briandear wrote: post #34

ericabiz wrote: post #22

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Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

It’s a bit ironic you use Facebook but won’t use Chrome.

I use Facebook very occasionally, and when I do I use Firefox with containers enabled. Facebook and related sites get their own containers.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by olliej » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:44 AM UTC

snaky wrote: post #137

fermienrico wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has invested billions into search and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the search business. For example, imagine a company that allows you to search the internet without ads but charging say $2.99/month fee to use it. Even if I am willing to pay, the search accuracy and ability for a small company to compete with google is nearly impossible. So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckG…

Microsoft has invested billions into Internet Explorer and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the browser business. IE Firefox 2009 Q4 66.42% 21.13% 2003 Q2 94.43% 2.22% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Th...

Firefox and Mozilla were not a small startup - they had (comparatively) boatloads of money (now they have even more) and a huge number of free developers :)

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by stordoff » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:44 AM UTC

ericabiz wrote: post #22

ben174 wrote: post #9

I have no doubt this is a direct result of the feedback in the hacker news thread. Googlers read our comments and take them seriously when there is true merit. Keep making noise folks, it matters.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

> I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas.

On the flip side, I've had a recurring bug in Chrome (until very recently) where for any long running session the Browser process will consume 100% of 1 core. I've had it across multiple machines and profiles, including a completely clean profile with no extensions - I've never managed to be able to nail down the common elements.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by dm8 » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:44 AM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #128

dm8 wrote: post #123

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I work at an ad-tech startup, and I hear you. Ad-tech has lot of rotten apples. Advertising done right (aka unobtrusive, privacy conscious, and value additive) is a great for free information exchange. Bad ad is always bad, but ad may not always be bad. There are lot of people working on it (including my startup) to solve the problem that are fraught with ad-tech in general and we are making progress but there is lot…

I feel like Advertisement should be a “pull” rather than “push” model. I want to see different vendors when I decide to buy something. But when I’m on Instagram and browsing pictures, please don’t sell me a chef’s knife or a guitar. I have no experience in marketing and advertisement. But from a user standpoint, I want to look through Yellow Pages and Vendor catalogs. Not bombarded with ads all the time. What are you…

Absolutely and you have your preferences. The "pull" model advertising tend to be extremely expensive. For example, search advertising in search engines. That is known as intent driven ads, where user is clearly mentioning their intent.

"Push" advertising can work great as long as user is not bombarded with too many ads. Also, ad creative copy needs to be exceptional to make it work. In real work, a good example of "push" advertising model is billboard advertising or print advertising in magazines. Most people don't mind Apple ads on billboards (where they spend lot of $$) because they are done really well. Unfortunately, in push model on digital advertising is not always great due to poor quality of creatives or flashy/obstructive ads that distract users.

Instagram does advertising surprisingly well but that's may by my opinion since I have seen lot of bad stuff in ad-tech. My GF works in textiles/product design world but loves ads on Instagram since she follows certain type of accounts related to work and she gets very context driven ads, which she loves. Similar to ads that you get in high end fashion magazine. Believe it or not lot of people buy magazines like Vogue for their advertising too. You can always mute ads from accounts that you don't find relevant.

Some apps/companies are going towards providing ad free option (like Spotify) for users who don't want ads at all, I think that will get more and more traction in coming years..

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by throwaway8879 » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:44 AM UTC

ajmurmann wrote: post #132

dm8 wrote: post #123

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I work at an ad-tech startup, and I hear you. Ad-tech has lot of rotten apples. Advertising done right (aka unobtrusive, privacy conscious, and value additive) is a great for free information exchange. Bad ad is always bad, but ad may not always be bad. There are lot of people working on it (including my startup) to solve the problem that are fraught with ad-tech in general and we are making progress but there is lot…

How can an advertisement not be bad? Ultimately it's always the goal to get someone to buy something they otherwise wouldn't. Even if you catch someone when they are already are looking to buy a product from your category you are trying to get them to buy your product instead of the competitor's. What would be helpful to the user in that moment is a product comparison that's honest and unbiased and not an advertiseme…

What exactly do you mean by "bad" here? If you're making a moral or value judgement about ads being bad, then I don't know how to respond to that. Animals of all types are evolved to acquire resources, at any cost. And humans have taken the social aspect of resource acquisition to an extreme level. I'm not a big fan of ads either, but people do what they do. And making moral or value judgements about primate behavior is extremely one-dimensional.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by yuhong » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:44 AM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #94

I’ve realized something over the years: Remember how “cool” Google was in 2007!? I vividly remember. I have learned an important fact that Ad business is rotten at the core - meaning it has direct conflicts with users. Therefore, I can never come to trust any Ads businesses: Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc and recently Adobe and Microsoft. I’m disgusted at the state of advertisement in modern society. It ruined cable…

I wrote an essay with more detailed history for a reason. It is probably worth linking it here: http://yuhongbao.blogspot.com/2018/09/google-doubleclick-moz...

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by scarface74 » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 3:44 AM UTC

snaky wrote: post #137

fermienrico wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has invested billions into search and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the search business. For example, imagine a company that allows you to search the internet without ads but charging say $2.99/month fee to use it. Even if I am willing to pay, the search accuracy and ability for a small company to compete with google is nearly impossible. So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckG…

Microsoft has invested billions into Internet Explorer and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the browser business. IE Firefox 2009 Q4 66.42% 21.13% 2003 Q2 94.43% 2.22% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Th...

The popular narrative was that Microsoft wasn’t investing too much of anything in IE after around IE6 when they didn’t have any competition and didn’t start reinvesting until later.

But there is a huge difference now with search. Google owns one of the mobile platforms and pays the other dominant platform over $2 billion a year to be the primary search engine.