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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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For analytics, we had one here just this week: Simple Analytics https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18024277

I'm also looking for an alternative to GA but paying $168/year (for now) for an inferior product is not really a solution.

Have a look at AT Internet

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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> Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to engineering/product first phase. Microsoft were always a marketing first company. Even in the early days they sold BASIC and DOS before they'd even written a line of code. And Windows certainly didn't become the dominant desktop OS through being the best at engineering (in the 80s…

> Even in the early days they sold BASIC and DOS before they'd even written a line of code Microsoft didn't create DOS

But they did sell it before they'd written a line of code.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Is there a good alternative for google photos? I remember I looked for one few months ago after I got a little freaked out by google facial recognition, but didn't find any good alternative.

Hosting your own, ie NextCloud or others

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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You would be surprised. I am using Bing alone for over a year and had to use google for 2-3 cases at max. Agreed google sometimes return different results, but you cannot say it's better, especially if you are used to seeing Bing results. I would suggest you try Bing for a month and go to google if you cannot absolutely find anything in Bing.

I switched my default search engine to Bing on my phone (when AMP started to become a thing) and it's been great. I do still use Google on my work PC, because it knows I'm a C++ programmer and can show more relevant results. I am against the direction tracking is going, but it is useful in some cases.

Bing is now serving AMP pages (since the new Governance Model was unveiled), so...

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Unless you're an H1-B worker in which case it's gets much more complicated. In my experience, most of the H1-B workers we have are very much Yes Men when it comes to doing what's asked of them. There are also cultural factors that come into play (e.g. never admitting ignorance on a topic, pleasing authority ) and .

H1-B is modern day slavery.

> H1-B is modern day slavery.

Eh, there's a power imbalance, but let's not go overboard.

They are offered a good job with good pay in another country. That means they have less power in negotiations, and may be deported, but they don't lose the money they earned, and it's not like they are being exiled to some foreign place, they are literally sent home.

Nobody's freedom is being taken away, and nobody's rights are being infringed (that I know of). It may not be morally acceptable depending on your point of view, but it's not slavery. Using that word here lessens how strong it is when used in other contexts, modern day (human trafficking) and historically (in America and eslewhere). We don't need that.

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"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

What is with the H1B bashing? Have you met a representative sample of people in H1B? How is your prejudice any different from being a racist or sexist? Just because visa type is not a protected class?

I highly recommend talking to many more people on H1B and if even a few doesn't fit your preconceived notion, kindly stop this bashing. It is people you are dealing with.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

You gotta be the change you want to see in the world, even if you know it's not going to make a significant difference by itself.

Sure, they'll hire someone else. But that's not the point. The point is sticking to your ethics.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Bing is nowhere near "(Just as good as G)". If it was, a lot more people would have already switched. As of now, it's surprisingly behind Google in almost all but the most basic searches.

I wouldn't leverage popularity of a service to correlate 100% with its competency - ESPECIALLY when it comes to tech.

I think Bing has a marketing / brand problem, as it's been the punch-line of the joke for so long.

I personally think it's actually quite good - I personally use it a lot with Safari.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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>people have mortgages, families and other commitments. Some have social anxiety and find job hunting an impossibly scary prospect. Others might suffer from depression. So what? Standing up for what you believe in is never easy, and almost always involves challenges like those. Imagine if Dr. King gave up because he was anxious and depressed with death threats coming in on a regular basis. Failing to take a moral/eth…

So, assuming you're tight on money, the job market is looking crap, but you got lucky and got a well paying job. Chances of getting another job are slim. You have a few responsibilities, a wife, say 2 kids, maybe even someone who needs medical bills paid. Do you just say "fuck it", and quit, ignoring all your responsibilities? Over cookies? Of course, when its not about cookies, but about something more drastic, say…

>Do you just say "fuck it", and quit, ignoring all your responsibilities? Over cookies?

If you follow the news about Google at all, you'd know its obviously not just about cookies.

>Of course, when its not about cookies, but about something more drastic

It's about the the greatest surveillance apparatus in history encroaching towards total informational awareness.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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I'm not OP but I've been an Android user since the release of the T-Mobile G1 and have been trying to get rid of Google stuff for a while: > All android devices? No, not all Android devices. Only the ones with the Google Services Framework installed (or, if you're as paranoid as I am, any other Google service that is running as root). To give you an overview, Google's power over Android users basically rests on the f…

Damn, that sounds like a lot of work and still easy to make a mistake and let something through.

The action to resolve all of those is to use an AOSP ROM and do not sign into Google. Thats it.

The hard part is de-coupling yourself from Google services, if you rely on them. That may be solved via self-hosted services. See: https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted

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