Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

271–280 of 848 posts

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#271

Post by r1ch »

ryandrake wrote: post #215
coldtea wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, It's trivially easy to get blacklisted as spam that way...

This is kind of FUD. I’ve been running my own mail server for over a year now, and my E-mails don’t magically disappear into some blacklist. Do you have to be careful when configuring your server? Yes. Can you get on a blacklist erroneously? Yes. Does not going with a hosted solution mean you cannot participate in E-mail? No way. I don’t know where this myth comes from that running your own mail infra means your mail…

It takes a long time to build up IP reputation if you run your own infrastructure. Even today after a year+ on the same IP, DKIM/SPF/DMARC, senderscore of 100 and transactional email only, Yahoo still randomly blacklists us for weeks at a time. Good luck getting in touch with a human to figure out why when you aren't Gmail or another big player in the industry.

Aside from Yahoo though, we generally haven't experienced any blacklisting or deliverability issues. It does require time to setup properly and maintain however, you can't just set it up and forget about it.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#272

Post by pnenp »

insickness wrote: post #248
pnenp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worked for me. Switched to FF because I just can't trust Chrome anymore. FF feels like a breath of fresh air.

How is the speed now of FF compared to Chrome? A few years ago I switched to Chrome because it was way faster. Has FF improved?

It feels faster on some sites, a bit slower (but not unbearably so) on others.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#273

Post by braythwayt »

esrauch wrote: post #264
braythwayt wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

I don't feel like it is reasonable to draw a direct analogy between Nazis and implementing browser level account logins.

The decades I was thinking about referred to the business of tobacco companies. I was very much alive while public opinion swang against them, and I recall lively debate about the ethics of working for tobacco companies, the loss of tax revenue from tobacco companies, the ethics of tobacco companies sponsoring sport, and so on.

As for the Nazis, there are some parallels, just as there are for other social problems like racism. But in my initial comment, I preferred to stick to a more direct comparison involving employment with a fantastically profitable and legal company.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#274

Post by Erlich_Bachman »

ux-app wrote: post #62
mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Bing is nowhere near "(Just as good as G)". If it was, a lot more people would have already switched. As of now, it's surprisingly behind Google in almost all but the most basic searches.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#275

Post by [deleted] »

ux-app wrote: post #62
mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

[deleted]

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#276

Post by simias »

beavis2 wrote: post #245
mike22223333 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google strikes off a right balance between annoying and convenient. It's kicking off all Privacy concerned people, Ad Block people, overopiniated people off it's platform indirectly. Websites get less money from Firefox users per user then Chrome users. If Firefox users make less money, going to future, devs will not optimize for it. If the only remaining Firefox users block Ads and block analytics, I do not think go…

> devs will not optimize of it. Yep. I have been a FF user since.. well, Netscape. Yet, FireFox-specific bugs have always been a lower priority. Because, it's "a bug effecting 100 users" vs "a bug effecting 900 users" When you consider FF users are harder to monetise (admit it, we generally are), you can start saying "a bug effecting ~50 potential customers , vs ~800". *(fortunately, now that IE/Edge is out of the pi…

We might be harder to monetize with ads but are we harder to monetize beyond that? I'm a Firefox user and you'll have to pry ublock from my cold, dead hands but I do pay for a bunch of online services.

I think the main problem with Firefox is the tiny user share, not the composition of said share. We need to make Firefox more mainstream and the problem will solve itself. Unfortunately it's an uphill battle, Firefox is not cool anymore.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#277

Post by JustSomeNobody »

bad_user wrote: post #189
danielecook wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What will you replace gmail with?

I use FastMail with my own domain. I used to use Google Apps before it. But before switching email services, do yourself a favor and ditch webmail interfaces first. Pick up a desktop/native email client and switch to IMAP / SMTP. On MacOS a solid option for us power users is MailMate ( https://freron.com/ ) ... markdown composer, GMail shortcuts, useful bundles, fast, uncluttered, it's basically what I wanted Thunder…

Would like to add to your excellent suggestions. When you switch away from Google, set your gmail to forward and delete your email (to your new email address). That way you won't leave any emails on gmail but you can keep it up until you've completely migrated.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#278

Post by d3ckard »

wakkaflokka wrote: post #179
fma wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to FF ~1 year ago because I found the performance to be better. But Google's trend is making me consider switching back to an iPhone...

I'm in the same boat. Just switched away from Gmail and Chrome. Love my Pixel 2 XL for its astonishing camera, but very seriously considering a switch to the iPhone.

In this case, I can assure you that iPhone8Plus/iPhoneX and successors camera is freaking awesome. Awesome enough to make me start doing photos for pleasure.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

#280

Post by krelian »

Steve44 wrote: post #129
napolux wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

90% of people won't care / aren't able to understand the issue. That's were google is heading its efforts :)

I'd say 95% of people are happy that their accounts are all synchronised and follows them around. They pick up any device and carry on where they left off, similar to how Kindle bookmarks are synchronised across your devices. IMHO the vast majority are not interested in understanding in the technology, they just want their stuff to work. 80 years ago if you had a car then generally you'd need some understanding, 30 y…

>I'd say 95% of people are happy that their accounts are all synchronised and follows them around.

I actually really like this feature and find it really convenient for my usage habits.

I also don't really care that Google is tracking me, I give them my data and in return they provide some really useful services for me. They only thing that bothers me about the privacy issue is the off-chance that an individual will be able to browse my personal data but as long as it's mixed with everything else I don't really care (I understand it's a slippery slope though).

We geeks love to complain about Google invading our privacy yet we eagerly devour their services (search, maps etc...) which are very much as good as they are because of all of the data Google has. If privacy advocates want to keep the moral upper hand they should avoid using Google services altogether (logged-in or not) because at the moment we, the "ignorant masses", are helping Google improve those services with our data.

Post reply on HN