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Re: Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts to temporarily disappear

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Get a domain and host it somewhere.

Why is this "Just move off the grid and live off the land" response so popular on HN?

Well

“just use an existing service / do what everyone else is doing”

probably isn’t very representative of the entrepreneurial / hacker spirit.

Re: Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts to temporarily disappear

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It's the other way around. Why does Facebook think it has the right to remove years of their users' contributions? As the years march on, I think we'll see more and more data protection laws in favor of users rather than companies. Data is the new uranium, not the new oil. It needs to be protected and taken seriously. You can argue that it's Facebook's site and that they can do whatever they want. I argue that they c…

Why does Facebook think it has the right to remove years of their users' contributions? Huh? We're talking about Facebook refusing to keep reposting stuff from another site. That seems like exactly the opposite of the stuff Facebook might have some responsibility for, if it did have responsibility for stuff. I mean, obviously, it's ambiguous whether Facebook is a repository, a gate-keeper, a community, a blogging-sit…

> Deleting years of stuff that might not exist in other places would certainly be much more draconian.

This is exactly what the report says they did. The original post may exist on Twitter, but the conversation that happened on Facebook does not.

I just checked my feed, and my Twitter posts do seem to still be on my FB profile, at least when I look at it.

Re: Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts to temporarily disappear

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Holy shit... Literally ten years of Facebook posts and people's comments on them just up and disappeared from my profile. How is that ok?

Hopefully it's just a 'soft' delete, and this can be undone. I can't imagine FB actually hard-deleting any information that might help them in terms of ads etc.

It's 99.9999% not a hard delete. They have fail overs and multiple backups.

Re: Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts to temporarily disappear

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It's the other way around. Why does Facebook think it has the right to remove years of their users' contributions? As the years march on, I think we'll see more and more data protection laws in favor of users rather than companies. Data is the new uranium, not the new oil. It needs to be protected and taken seriously. You can argue that it's Facebook's site and that they can do whatever they want. I argue that they c…

I'm all in favor of restricting what companies do with our data, but mandating that they continue to host everything we post ad infinitum? That doesn't seem reasonable to me.

and this is exactly why Archiveteam has to exist: https://archiveteam.org

They try to stay ahead of troves of data going dark so they can save them somewhere first.

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> What's wrong with GMail? > Google stopped mining it last year: https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in... . Google stopped mining it for ads, but it's disingenuous to say they stopped mining, period [0]. How do you think those Gmail suggested replies are generated? [0]: https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-gmail-ads-email...

> Smart Reply uses neural networks to figure out the main intent of an email, and then suggest short and adequate responses. It’s an incredibly useful feature, it works surprisingly well — and it clearly requires for Google’s computers to “read” your email. Would you stop using Protonmail if they offered the same feature?

I'm not sure who you are addressing, but I would stop using ProtonMail if they did. Then again, I've never found Google's response suggestions to be useful.

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It's the other way around. Why does Facebook think it has the right to remove years of their users' contributions? As the years march on, I think we'll see more and more data protection laws in favor of users rather than companies. Data is the new uranium, not the new oil. It needs to be protected and taken seriously. You can argue that it's Facebook's site and that they can do whatever they want. I argue that they c…

> Why does Facebook think it has the right to remove years of their users' contributions? How much were they paying for the service?

Thousands of dollars worth of my time.

Re: Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts to temporarily disappear

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Get a domain and host it somewhere.

Why is this "Just move off the grid and live off the land" response so popular on HN?

Some people like independence more than others. Although it can be impractical in some cases, I do appreciate people who try to live "off the grid" in an age where we are born plugged in.

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All the other reasons you shouldn’t use a “free” email service. You can be locked out of your account for arbitrary-reason-of-the-day and good luck finding a contact number or email address for support. If email is important to you, you probably shouldn’t be using a “free” service.

The big problem with email lock-in is that when you switch providers, you can't take your old address with you. Best case, you can set up forwarding. Worst case, if your account just gets deleted, or the provider goes out of business, everyone who only knows your old address cannot contact you anymore. This, in turn, means that even when considering non-free email service providers, you need some reassurance that pro…

Transitions aren't really too difficult so long as proper steps are taken:

- Notify your contacts of your address change.

- Set your old address to forward to your new address and always reply to emails from your new one.

- After 2 months, set your old email to auto-reply to all messages saying that you have changed your address and the old one will soon be deactivated.

- Finally, turn deactivate the old email.

It's work, but I've done it on multiple occasions. I wonder if there could be a service that could automate the entire process, since it could all be done via IMAP.

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The big problem with email lock-in is that when you switch providers, you can't take your old address with you. Best case, you can set up forwarding. Worst case, if your account just gets deleted, or the provider goes out of business, everyone who only knows your old address cannot contact you anymore. This, in turn, means that even when considering non-free email service providers, you need some reassurance that pro…

Fastmail has been around for almost 20 years and I've been using them for more than 10.

I use this with an rpi running offline imap read-only.
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