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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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When intelligent animals pay their lives for their presence on your plate, then your dinner choice is no longer an entirely personal decision.

> intelligent

Not enough to matter, if at all, because they still can only qualify as ...

> animals

... and therefore are not due even vaguely similar rights/considerations as people.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

Absolutely. I completely disagree with the whole "bring your whole self to work". No! Bring your professional self to work. The counter-argument is that the causes relate to discrimination in the workforce. I.e., BLM needs to be supported because blacks are underrepresented in the American tech workforce. I disagree these need to be equivalent. It's possible for a company to promote hiring underrepresented minorities…

Up front, I believe it's for the good of American society that more women should be in tech in America. That said, I think companies should go out there and ensure they engage people at the start, in Elementary school. Be they women, blacks and even whites (see the many H1Bs we need to shore up demand).

But... I don't think this should be a PR stunt. Or should be politicized. Go out there, and do the hard work. Engage all people and recruit the whole eligible population. It's in our interest, but don't politicize it and don't introduce politicized quotes. Do it methodically without pretenses.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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post #252

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Believing in near-absolute protection of free speech is a lot easier when you're not the direct target of that "free speech." Not trying to assume your specific social location, but I know a lot of centrists who feel as you do, and they are white men. They might be repulsed by Nazi's who advocate ethnic cleansing, but I have to actually worry about what those people might do if they take power. I have a vested intere…

There’s also a difference between propaganda- especially foreign propaganda and free speech.

No there isn’t. People who oppose free speech have claimed to be protecting people from just about anything you can imagine. “I’m protecting you from...” is how every censorship effort in history has been framed.

It’s not the government’s job to protect you from ideas you don’t like, and people who live in a free society have the responsibility to think for themselves.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Absolutely. I completely disagree with the whole "bring your whole self to work". No! Bring your professional self to work. The counter-argument is that the causes relate to discrimination in the workforce. I.e., BLM needs to be supported because blacks are underrepresented in the American tech workforce. I disagree these need to be equivalent. It's possible for a company to promote hiring underrepresented minorities…

I don't agree with this "professional self" thing. I think you should bring your whole self to work...but sure, as with everything that should come in moderation. We all go to work to do a job, after all. But maybe the core problem is that we can't just agree to disagree, on some things. We have gotten to the point, as a society, that if you are right of center (in some circles), you're batshit alt-right crazy. And t…

> What the hell happened where everyone's trying to bite each other's heads off all the time?

Here is the issue: while the left is saying "we need better healthcare, immigrants are a part of this country's foundations, and student debt will cripple the nation", the right firmly supports a POTUS that says "Mexicans are rapists, peaceful protesters are a disgrace, and the media is the enemy of the people."

And the reason people are biting each other's heads off is because the right firmly believes their bigoted racism is just an "opinion" that's as open to discussion as the left's progressive agenda.

Karl Popper intelligently realized this is unsustainable[1], and that the only solution to prevent a complete collapse of a tolerant society is the crushing of the intolerant.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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And it has been my experience that people who have politics "happen" to them from "the moment [they] wake up to the moment [they] sleep" in large part simply perceive that to be their existence. I have read countless articles and posts at this point claiming that "America doesn't care about black bodies" and that black people in America should "fear for their lives every day," all in regards to the perceived danger o…

Except one doesn't have to fear being killed by the police to be wary of them. The fact is that POC are arrested disproportionately to their population size. Being incarcerated is enough to cut your chances of a job offer or a call back by %50[1]. There are many underlying reasons as to why POC people are arrested more, including remnants of systemic oppression, but that is another argument for another time. It's eas…

Let's say someone doesn't want to hand-wave other's hardships away. Out of multiple possible venues, such as

(a) political action (voting, city council meetings, writing to a congressman)

(b) civil action (rallies, protests, community organizing, civil disobedience)

(c) work action (send an email, post on internal slack channel)

(d) public relations (letter to an editor, an op/ed in local paper, getting a local news station to cover the issue)

is (c) the most effective for achieving the desired results?

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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post #213

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If my coworker doesn’t believe I have a right to not die from a chronic illness, thinks I shouldn’t have the right to get married, or thinks less of someone because of the color of their skin, then I don’t respect them as a coworker or a human being.

You don't get. That isn't why you should respect them!! Their beliefs are not grounds to or not to respect them. Their beliefs are part of their private life. You are able to change what rights and liberties are allowed to you because you can participate in society and politics without getting fired from your jon and exiled for your unpopular beliefs.

Beliefs are one of things you absolutely can judge people on. You aren't born with beliefs, you form them over time (yes influences matter).

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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post #84

Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

Part of American conservatism is the moderate but solid consensus that homosexuality is morally wicked. Some people want to stay true to their convictions, rather than ignore the moral deviancy of the world. Some people truly believe that homosexuality is a danger to children and the spiritual health of society. Sometimes they feel like they can't speak out against homosexuality just because they work at a liberal wo…

Your understanding of conservatism is profoundly stereotypical and incorrect.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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post #185

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It seems there are many valid reasons to disrespect a coworker, and being a neo-nazi is one of them. You cannot hide a violent philosophy behind a shield of "it is my beliefs". None of us shall ever accept it. If it becomes the law that I must accept neo nazis, I still will not.

No,they are your coworker. Period. They're not your friend. They are not promoting neo-nazi beliefs at work or direspecting other coworkers,what business of yours is their neo-nazi activity? Peace has a price.

The price of peace with these people was a world war. I’m not eager to see the price paid again, and I want to live where they want me dead. You can feel morally superior and hug a Nazi, I’ll stick with the more practical “Hetzjagd and Nazis.” I’m not interested in principle where people with no conscience or principles of their own are concerned, and I’m an adult who has standards in a world of standards. They’re not perfect, but they tend to get better with time and freedom to discuss them. “Kill the Jews/Blacks/Gays/etc” has been discussed extensively, then a war was fought. It’s over, the standard around Nazism is established as zero tolerance, and I for one am in favor of that. I’ll leave it to the paralytically anarchist/libertarian moral relativists to die on the hill of defending Nazis on principle.

In other words, my grandfather already paid the price for this peace in WWII, I’ll do my best to uphold it even in the face of the ideology which started that war.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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If you think a bigot stops being a bigot during a meeting, I honestly don’t know what to tell you.

Just because you find it difficult doesn't mean everyone does. Oh, I know you don't consider that bigotry... But I'm sure someone will. EDIT: It should probably be pointed out that the definition of bigotry is "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.", pulled straight from Google. "If my coworker doesn’t believe ... then I don’t respect them as a coworker or a human being" (pulled from the…

Thinking that a racist just shuts it off at work is ridiculous.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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You might not realize this, but you come off a little bit anti-gay in your post. > Why are companies promoting "pride"? First of all, you don't need to put pride in safety quotes. Second of all, gay rights are human rights. Companies promote them because it's the right thing to do, and because they want all the good things that come along with doing the right thing. I don't think it's all that complicated. Edit: If y…

The right thing to do is not letting any one special cause dominate. My guess is that you arent tolerant of everyone either. Gays are humans they have human rights not gay rights its this idea thats gays are somehow more worthy of our support than say a conservative at a liberal workplace thats the crux of the problem. I dont care what people are, who they sleep with, what they believe, as long as i am not asked to o…

1. No one's saying that companies ought to only advocate for gay rights and leave behind every other issue.

2. I am tolerant towards everyone. It's actually not that difficult.

3. You seem to be a little confused on what gay rights are. Here's a summary: Gay people want to be treated fairly. We want our partner/spouse to be treated equally. We want our children to be treated equally. We want to not be fired for being gay. We don't want to be called names for being gay. We don't want people to hate us for being gay. These things are not special considerations. These things are basic rights.

4. The right thing to do is to be in favor of gay rights.

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