Kind of moot considering how hard Zuckerberg stanned for Peter Thiel. How much was that Palmer Luckey payout? I'd argue that if you're working for Facebook you're kind of superficially liberal to begin with. Zuckerberg is only liberal until he has to worry about his bank account.
Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#102Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#103Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#104Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.
I do not respect your view that not all views deserve respect.
More seriously, I can and do disagree strenuously with friends, family, coworkers over many things.
I value opposing viewpoints, as it helps me think through my own views. Without those opposing viewpoints, we get echo chambers. These echo chambers decide to not respect viewpoints not in agreement with their own.
It is inevitable that Godwin's law is somehow invoked these days, almost by reflex. In the US, we have the right to speak freely without interference from the government with very specific limited exceptions. So we cannot make the most odious speech illegal. We can protest such speech, but we need to do this within the bounds of the law.
Regardless of my views, I find myself censoring what I say aloud, or write in posts like this. As the narratives do shift, and one day, I may find my views which were one day mainstream, are now deep into fringe territory.
This is not good. Anyone thinking that shutting someone down hard by means other than a better argument, needs to be prepared for when their views are on the outside.
Put another way, this is a very slippery slope. We really don't want to continue down this path.
I applaud the FB group, hopefully they can make a difference.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#105Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…
The counter-argument is that the causes relate to discrimination in the workforce. I.e., BLM needs to be supported because blacks are underrepresented in the American tech workforce. I disagree these need to be equivalent. It's possible for a company to promote hiring underrepresented minorities without allowing employees to advertise their political beliefs.
What happened to never talking about politics on the first date or at your job?
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
>hot, left-leaning ideas of this time >equal rights for women >equal rights for people regardless of their sexuality What is "this time"? The 1800s?
See, you're doing it too. You're assuming that ALL feminist ideas are morally invincible on the grounds that they are championing "equal rights for women" (whether that's actually true or not) and shaming GP for implying differently
So ya, I think 1800s is a pretty fair (albeit satirical) statement/question.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The first three are deeply problematic and rooted in deep-seated white supremacist beliefs and absent mitigating circumstances I’d consider firing people who held them. Sorry, that’s just how I have to feel given everything that’s been going on these days.
You equal criticising religion to white supremacy? That's really troubling.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#108You ask this question, then answer it in your very next line. People don't respect everyone. They are intolerant.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#109Kind of moot considering how hard Zuckerberg stanned for Peter Thiel. How much was that Palmer Luckey payout? I'd argue that if you're working for Facebook you're kind of superficially liberal to begin with. Zuckerberg is only liberal until he has to worry about his bank account.
Right? I'm always super confused when people profess to know a super liberal Facebook. I've yet to hear/see an actual super liberal defend Facebook as such. It's just whatever conveniently fits the narrative at hand. Also...Oculus' Head of Computer Vision was busted in an underage prostitution ring after all the Palmer non-sense. Yay.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think this is true at all, I think it’s the middle that’s moved. I was quite left leaning when I was a teenager, but some of my views would be called ‘alt-right’ or extreme today. My values haven’t really changed that much, but they’re much more aligned with the right today. (Downvoted within seconds, very nice).
Name me a couple of these views which haven't changed, and qualified you as left-leaning as a teenager but alt-right today.