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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Kind of moot considering how hard Zuckerberg stanned for Peter Thiel. How much was that Palmer Luckey payout? I'd argue that if you're working for Facebook you're kind of superficially liberal to begin with. Zuckerberg is only liberal until he has to worry about his bank account.

yes, and the reason is that you are getting paid a lot to create a “product” that will surely be a net negative when all is said and done (if not, then the point doesnt stand obv) so its getting rich at the expense of greater good, which is disqualifying. your choice of work, and how you carry it out, is perhaps the most political thing you do

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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post #84

Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

what was unpleasant about the very liberal workplace?

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

I disagree. Not all actions deserve respect. If facebook has some official views, and then an employee goes and publicly states 'I, an employee of facebook, think X', where X is counter to those official views, then they should absolutely be disciplined and/or fired. However, internally, there is no reason not to let people express whatever ideas they choose.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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post #5

Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

I do not respect your view that not all views deserve respect.

Oh dear ... we seem to have found an accidental logical inconsistency in the universe. Prepare for reboot in 3 .. 2 ..

More seriously, I can and do disagree strenuously with friends, family, coworkers over many things.

I value opposing viewpoints, as it helps me think through my own views. Without those opposing viewpoints, we get echo chambers. These echo chambers decide to not respect viewpoints not in agreement with their own.

It is inevitable that Godwin's law is somehow invoked these days, almost by reflex. In the US, we have the right to speak freely without interference from the government with very specific limited exceptions. So we cannot make the most odious speech illegal. We can protest such speech, but we need to do this within the bounds of the law.

Regardless of my views, I find myself censoring what I say aloud, or write in posts like this. As the narratives do shift, and one day, I may find my views which were one day mainstream, are now deep into fringe territory.

This is not good. Anyone thinking that shutting someone down hard by means other than a better argument, needs to be prepared for when their views are on the outside.

Put another way, this is a very slippery slope. We really don't want to continue down this path.

I applaud the FB group, hopefully they can make a difference.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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post #84

Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

Absolutely. I completely disagree with the whole "bring your whole self to work". No! Bring your professional self to work.

The counter-argument is that the causes relate to discrimination in the workforce. I.e., BLM needs to be supported because blacks are underrepresented in the American tech workforce. I disagree these need to be equivalent. It's possible for a company to promote hiring underrepresented minorities without allowing employees to advertise their political beliefs.

What happened to never talking about politics on the first date or at your job?

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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>hot, left-leaning ideas of this time >equal rights for women >equal rights for people regardless of their sexuality What is "this time"? The 1800s?

See, you're doing it too. You're assuming that ALL feminist ideas are morally invincible on the grounds that they are championing "equal rights for women" (whether that's actually true or not) and shaming GP for implying differently

I downvoted you (and I assume others did too) because your assertion is only half true and that makes it pretty misleading. The other valid reply presented was about "homosexualism" (not sure what that means exactly) and in that context "feminism" means "rights," thus "equal rights."

So ya, I think 1800s is a pretty fair (albeit satirical) statement/question.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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post #72

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The first three are deeply problematic and rooted in deep-seated white supremacist beliefs and absent mitigating circumstances I’d consider firing people who held them. Sorry, that’s just how I have to feel given everything that’s been going on these days.

You equal criticising religion to white supremacy? That's really troubling.

Critcism of Islam is almost always qualified with "and that's why we shouldn't let them into our country"

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Kind of moot considering how hard Zuckerberg stanned for Peter Thiel. How much was that Palmer Luckey payout? I'd argue that if you're working for Facebook you're kind of superficially liberal to begin with. Zuckerberg is only liberal until he has to worry about his bank account.

Right? I'm always super confused when people profess to know a super liberal Facebook. I've yet to hear/see an actual super liberal defend Facebook as such. It's just whatever conveniently fits the narrative at hand. Also...Oculus' Head of Computer Vision was busted in an underage prostitution ring after all the Palmer non-sense. Yay.

Not sure how the prostitution bust relates to politics? Pretty sure liberals and conservatives are equally pervs. The latter just tends to be more oppressed about it.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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I don’t think this is true at all, I think it’s the middle that’s moved. I was quite left leaning when I was a teenager, but some of my views would be called ‘alt-right’ or extreme today. My values haven’t really changed that much, but they’re much more aligned with the right today. (Downvoted within seconds, very nice).

Name me a couple of these views which haven't changed, and qualified you as left-leaning as a teenager but alt-right today.

A person who believed in socialized healthcare but did not support gay marriage could well have been considered left-leaning in the US a decade ago.
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