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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by Analemma_ » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:07 AM UTC

AmericanChopper wrote: post #73

ianai wrote: post #61

The Republican Party has moved further and further right for the last 30+ years. When one side of an argument goes extreme it almost forces the other side to react severely. A similar stressor works on young adults. They’ve spent almost the entirety of their lives up until the point they move out or go to college at their parents’ discretion(s).

I don’t think this is true at all, I think it’s the middle that’s moved. I was quite left leaning when I was a teenager, but some of my views would be called ‘alt-right’ or extreme today. My values haven’t really changed that much, but they’re much more aligned with the right today. (Downvoted within seconds, very nice).

Name me a couple of these views which haven't changed, and qualified you as left-leaning as a teenager but alt-right today.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by maxerickson » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:07 AM UTC

rhizome wrote: post #60

lainga wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are uniting to change Facebook's culture, not internal HR policies.

Step 1: buy 51% of FB stock.

51% of the voting power (probably) isn't available on the public markets. It's dual structured with Zuckerberg having special shares that make him king.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by telotortium » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:07 AM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #77

crazygringo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because conservatives are anti-union and anti-NLRB. Edit: why the heck am I being downvoted? I'm literally just explaining what I assumed the GP was referring to.

Only Nixon could go to China. Sometimes in America you see the strangest political bedfellows.

Nixon.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by fake-name » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:09 AM UTC

vimy wrote: post #72

brainkim wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first three are deeply problematic and rooted in deep-seated white supremacist beliefs and absent mitigating circumstances I’d consider firing people who held them. Sorry, that’s just how I have to feel given everything that’s been going on these days.

You equal criticising religion to white supremacy? That's really troubling.

Specifically singling out islam is very, very strongly correlated with it, so yes.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by austinheap » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:09 AM UTC

saudioger wrote: post #48

Kind of moot considering how hard Zuckerberg stanned for Peter Thiel. How much was that Palmer Luckey payout? I'd argue that if you're working for Facebook you're kind of superficially liberal to begin with. Zuckerberg is only liberal until he has to worry about his bank account.

Right? I'm always super confused when people profess to know a super liberal Facebook. I've yet to hear/see an actual super liberal defend Facebook as such. It's just whatever conveniently fits the narrative at hand.

Also...Oculus' Head of Computer Vision was busted in an underage prostitution ring after all the Palmer non-sense. Yay.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by taneq » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:09 AM UTC

hegz wrote: post #34

mbrumlow wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is who decides what views should or should not be tolerated? Some would say if you eat meat you should not be tolerated. Others might think pro-choice ideas should not be tolerated. That aside, we really need to figure out as a society how to fix a few notions. 1) You have some sort of right to not be offended. 2) You must get outraged at anything you disagree with. There once was a time when two people w…

There was never a time when different ideas were tolerated. The things we tolerate have changed. Maybe the time you speak of was the time when all of your ideas were tolerated. In the past people tolerated the idea that it was OK to own slaves, now we dont. In the past people did not tolerate the idea that it is OK to be gay, now we do.

I grew up with the understanding that just because someone thought differently to me didn't mean they were wrong, and that it's OK for people to agree to disagree on some things while still remaining friends. This view has definitely gone out of vogue in the past 10 years.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by what_ever » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:09 AM UTC

mbrumlow wrote: post #4

spacehome wrote: post #2

There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

Already down playing it, later the article admits over 100 joined the post. Wile 'Dozens' is correct, it most certainly was meant to belittle and down play the group.

It's Arrested Development reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKie-vgUGdI

I am glad it's voted down. If I have Reddit for that kind of comments already.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by _iyig » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:09 AM UTC

intopieces wrote: post #76

I must be naive, because I cannot think of any political topic I would be discussing at work. How is this intolerance of right-wing ideology being expressed? What views specifically are being not-tolerated? Without these specifics, it's hard to understand the problem.

At a company like Facebook, I could imagine how politics enter into work discussions about trending story ranking or news site bias warnings, for example.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by civilian » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:09 AM UTC

saudioger wrote: post #48

Kind of moot considering how hard Zuckerberg stanned for Peter Thiel. How much was that Palmer Luckey payout? I'd argue that if you're working for Facebook you're kind of superficially liberal to begin with. Zuckerberg is only liberal until he has to worry about his bank account.

(what does 'stanned' mean? I can't figure out if it's a typo.)

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by _8j50 » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:09 AM UTC

euroclydon wrote: post #35

tptacek wrote: post #22

Good for them. The structural change needed in our industry is for labor (or, to use a term we're apparently more comfortable with, "talent") to reassert itself, and for tech giants to reconcile themselves to the fact that they're accountable not just to their shareholders but to their employees. I hope this gets nasty, and that these FB employees ultimately find recourse in the NLRA. We forget that this industry is…

The idea that a bunch of highly paid conservative software developers would unionize and get the NLRB involved is rich.

What if they weren't conservative?