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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by ams6110 »

mcphage wrote: post #328
_8j50 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You only say that because it's convenient for you. You would not like it one bit at the conservative places I worked at. It really is a two way street and u-turns are allowed.

> You would not like it one bit at the conservative places I worked at. So the commenter says that he looks forward to the next generation of developers not experiencing the hate that he has experienced. You say, he’d be unhappy at conservative places, presumably because he’d still experience that hate. So then why do you wonder why he pushes for politics in the workforce? His goal—hell, it should be all of our goal—…

I don't think the presumption is that he would still be experiencing the hate. But neither might his lifestyle be celebrated at work. And why should it be?

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by censoredbyhn »

chrisco255 wrote: post #242
chrisco255 wrote: post #192

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I don't agree with this "professional self" thing. I think you should bring your whole self to work...but sure, as with everything that should come in moderation. We all go to work to do a job, after all. But maybe the core problem is that we can't just agree to disagree, on some things. We have gotten to the point, as a society, that if you are right of center (in some circles), you're batshit alt-right crazy. And t…

The downvote button is not a disagree button.

Yes it is. PG posted as much.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by lordCarbonFiber »

ericdykstra wrote: post #194
austinheap wrote: post #158

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From Harvard Business Review: "Results from our experiment involving 118 undergraduate students showed that taking the perspective of LGBT individuals or racial minorities — by writing a few sentences imagining the distinct challenges a marginalized minority might face — can improve pro-diversity attitudes and behavioral intentions toward these groups." https://hbr.org/2017/07/two-types-of-diversity-training-that...

A small sample of students taking a survey isn't very convincing evidence.

And yet you can't provide any counter evidence.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by [deleted] »

ams6110 wrote: post #335
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #299

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Do you realize what you're saying here? "We abused that guy for years and he never complained or demanded better. Why can't we all be more like that?"

I didn't read the comment that way. I read it as life sucks for a lot of people at times. Some dwell on it and never get past it. Others find a way to move forward, to make their own lives better instead of demanding that someone else do it.

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by int_19h »

slg wrote: post #9
xtracerx wrote: post #5

Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

I agree. From the article: >This month, the social network barred the far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, a move that critics seized on as further evidence that the company harbors an anti-conservative bias. Banning someone like Alex Jones is not an anti-conservative bias. It is an anti-asshole bias. No one is going to ban you for discussing tax policy.

> Banning someone like Alex Jones is not an anti-conservative bias. It is an anti-asshole bias. No one is going to ban you for discussing tax policy.

That depends on whether assholes holding other political beliefs get banned at the same rate, or not.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by fatjokes »

austinheap wrote: post #127
fatjokes wrote: post #105

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Absolutely. I completely disagree with the whole "bring your whole self to work". No! Bring your professional self to work. The counter-argument is that the causes relate to discrimination in the workforce. I.e., BLM needs to be supported because blacks are underrepresented in the American tech workforce. I disagree these need to be equivalent. It's possible for a company to promote hiring underrepresented minorities…

It's called corporate social responsibility. Companies advocate for their bottom line and their employees at the same time. As a gay dude that grew up in Ohio -- and had people yell "fag" when I got my diploma at graduation -- I'm beyond happy that the next generation of LGBTQ engineers won't grow up with the same level of hate I experienced. The arc of moral justice is only bent when force is applied.

I'm not saying you and others shouldn't be politically involved. I'm not even saying companies shouldn't contribute to political causes. I'm just saying they shouldn't encourage their workers to do so in the workplace.

You shouldn't be called a slur at work not because of the type of slur, but the fact that it is a slur at all.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by censoredbyhn »

_8j50 wrote: post #148
megaremote wrote: post #108

> Why are companies promoting "pride"...telling workers to attend 'lgbt tolerance' meetings,etc... Wth!!!! You ask this question, then answer it in your very next line. People don't respect everyone. They are intolerant.

Why is disrespecting or demeaning a coworker for any reason allowed? If I disrespect you because your haircut is unfashionable,would that be ok? If the meeting was about supporting neo-nazis ,would that not be saying the conmpany tolerates neo-nazis and does not welcome those who hate neo-nazism? Yet, you should respect your neo-nazi coworker,even if you were not told so.

> Yet, you should respect your neo-nazi coworker,even if you were not told so.

Uh fuck no. They deserve no respect. They deserve to be fired. They deserve to be constantly told their ideology is wrong, they deserve to be shouted down when they try to spread it, and if they won't repent they deserve to die lonely and sad with a life full of regrets.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by DuskStar »

bobdole12345 wrote: post #237
kronin wrote: post #181

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"tolerance" swings both ways. Unless you choose to be intolerant. The majority of people who spout tolerance and acceptance at me are the least tolerant and acceptant of other beliefs.

It doesn't tho. If my co-worker is donating to Trump, and talking about kicking foreign workers out of America, they're literally talking about kicking ME out of the country. They're donating money to a politician who wants to make my life harder, and make my visa process less pleasant. I can tolerate my co-worker all day, but if they're working to make my life less pleasant and workable, they're going to feel some c…

Let's turn that around. In case it's not clear, these aren't my beliefs:

If my co-worker is opposing Trump, and talking about bringing more foreign workers to America, they're literally talking about lowering MY wages. They're donating money to a politician who wants to make my life harder, and make my work environment more competitive.

I can tolerate my co-worker all day, but if they're working to make my life less pleasant and workable, they're going to feel some chill.

Sorry you're eating alone immigrants, but you're working at a place with tens of thousands of native co-workers, what did you think was going to happen?

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by coliveira »

fatjokes wrote: post #105
_8j50 wrote: post #84

Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

Absolutely. I completely disagree with the whole "bring your whole self to work". No! Bring your professional self to work. The counter-argument is that the causes relate to discrimination in the workforce. I.e., BLM needs to be supported because blacks are underrepresented in the American tech workforce. I disagree these need to be equivalent. It's possible for a company to promote hiring underrepresented minorities…

Except that it was never like that. In the old times when conservative beliefs were the norm, discrimination was brought to the workplace. There was no standard saying that you should leave your racist, misogynistic views out of the office.
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