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Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by lern_too_spel »

bitL wrote: post #102
jdietrich wrote: post #92

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>Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. These are gaming GPUs being announced at a games conference to an audience of gamers and games journalists. The focus of Huang's talk was how accelerated ray tracing will improve the graphical fidelity of games. GPU compute is a spin-off from gaming. Gamers remain the primary market. They generate the volume that allows Nvidia to sell a supercomputer on a car…

The point was different - it is way too expensive for regular gamers, 2080Ti likely won't be able to do 4k@60Hz like 1080Ti couldn't either and 10 games featuring RTX in the nearly future is not a sufficient draw, especially when some of the effects now look subjectively worse with RTX ON (see those shadows from multiple lights above dancing people from Jenson's demo). So the question remains - who is the real target…

They demonstrated real time super resolution on top of hybrid rendering. The meaning of 4k@60Hz has changed. They can render that just fine -- it's just a question of how many of the pixels are imagined by the model and how good the model is.

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Post by [deleted] »

jasonlotito wrote: post #134
bitL wrote: post #61

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Which 10x0 FE did cost $1200? Did I miss something?

1080 FE $699 USD 2080 FE $799 USD That qualifies as about the same price in my book, and not a 70-90% jump. As for the Ti price when 1080 series was released, there was none.

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Post by saiya-jin »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #290
emodendroket wrote: post #272

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The 70 series is traditionally pretty popular for gamers though. At $600, though, I mean... that's at the point where just the graphics card is more than one of the 4K consoles Microsoft or Sony is putting out. Obviously a PC game is going to look nicer, but someone has to start thinking about that comparison.

> I mean... that's at the point where just the graphics card is more than one of the 4K consoles Microsoft or Sony is putting out. The console might output 4K but that doesn't mean the GPU inside can handle higher settings than a 1060. The $600 GPU is irrelevant to that comparison.

> The console might output 4K but that doesn't mean the GPU inside can handle higher settings than a 1060

Which is kinda irrelevant too, since console games are highly optimized for exactly 1 graphic card & rest of the setup. You get all the details hardware is capable of smoothly, nothing more or less. No fiddling with tons of settings that most have no clue about.

I don't get this often used argument - my games look better on PC than on consoles. Yes some UI gimmicks look better, textures have higher res, but after 30 minutes of playing it really doesn't matter at all, quality of gameplay and smoothness of experience is the king. Of course if one pours 5x the amount of money into PC that would be spent on console, there needs to be some inner justification. But it still doesn't make sense to me.

This is a view of person who plays only on PC, never had any console.

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Post by xxs »

sigi45 wrote: post #316
adar wrote: post #273

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> Better cancel my pre-order then... I mean you're not countering his point in any way. He didn't say nobody would buy it, but it's a simple fact that most people can't afford or justify a thousand dollar GPU. The vast majority of people buying Nvidia GPUs in the 10xx generation were going for 1060s and 1070s.

And you also didn't. 'most people can't afford or justify'. Come one. People buy cars and other stuff. Someone working fulltime and buying a 1k cheaper car can already afford and justify a 1k graphics card.

Video cards tend to be from the entertainment part of the budget, cars are totally different.

Cars do last way more than a video card as well, they have increased warranty period(in the EU video cards have 2y, cars usually 5-7y).

Cars tend to be purchased on leasing due to their higher cost and actual necessity. So saving 1k on a car usually doesn't transfer to 1k in cash.

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Post by saiya-jin »

Retric wrote: post #176
Matthias247 wrote: post #137

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But that's about covered by the difference in exchange rate. A few years ago prices where mostly 1:1 in USD before taxes and EUR after taxes. So the situation got worse. I think the main reason is not that anything makes selling the cards there more expensive, but simply that they try to charge more.

Exchange rates fluctuate, often it’s been ~1.05:1 which is a long way from covering the 20% VAT. Add some uncertainty, stronger consumer protection laws, and smaller markets and the price difference is relatively small.

> the price difference is relatively small

Where in reality there shouldn't be any, since sending stuff across the pond costs nothing as seen in products like bananas. At least I live in place which has only 8% VAT, so prices look a bit more like US (but still higher for no good reason)

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by Improvotter »

unphased wrote: post #312
bitL wrote: post #102

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The point was different - it is way too expensive for regular gamers, 2080Ti likely won't be able to do 4k@60Hz like 1080Ti couldn't either and 10 games featuring RTX in the nearly future is not a sufficient draw, especially when some of the effects now look subjectively worse with RTX ON (see those shadows from multiple lights above dancing people from Jenson's demo). So the question remains - who is the real target…

The only point i'd like to make is that the only reason that you "can't do" 4k@60 is because devs decided to tune their effects scaling in such a way that this is the case. This doesn't affect the argument that you're making. I just think it's actually incredibly absurd to complain as though it's the hardware's fault for not being able to keep up with 4k@60, when it's the devs who you should be looking at when you're…

Oh yes it’s the developer’s fault for not “tuning” something the right way. Sure.

You can “tune” something all you want, you’re always going to have a lower quality representation if you want better performance. The hardware should give the developers the possibility of getting better quality graphics at higher resolutions. We can play the original doom at 4 and probably even 8K without much problems. But that doesn’t mean it’s because they “tuned” it better, it’s because hardware has gotten better and hardware will always be the limiting factor for games.

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Post by ionised »

bitL wrote: post #172
blihp wrote: post #167

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It's a spectrum. Not every professional wants and/or can afford the top end cards. Many professionals (i.e. those who make money doing a thing) have been using high-end gaming cards for work pretty much since they existed. There's also the long-running debate as to the actual value of the 'pro' line of video cards for non-mission critical purposes (enough of one that nVidia in their license prohibited the use of gami…

But they are the low-to-mid segment of professionals doing weddings and local business presentations with median income around $50k. The ones doing interesting work can't live without real 10-bit HDR on calibrated 4k screens for realistic printing/video projections, without proper 5k+ RAW cameras and top-end lens etc. and those are extremely expensive.

This is the most elitist thing I've read today, and it's only 10:30am.

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Post by krautsourced »

ErneX wrote: post #140
blihp wrote: post #129

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For video professionals doing ray tracing this upgrade would likely be a must-have. This assumes the improvement (i.e. 6x or anything in that ballpark) is real and their software supports it... if so, hell, nVidia could double or triple the price of the card and it would still make sense for them. nVidia is just cashing in on a lack of any real competition at the high-end currently... hopefully we'll see AMD get back…

video professionals should use the Turing powered Quadros, these are for gamers

Not true. There is (or at least until now, has never been) a reason for video or 3D professionals in the "Arts" to use anything but GTX cards. 3D CAD and AI professionals on the other hand will profit from the Quadro cards. The main difference between Quadro and GTX were amount of memory, clock speed, longevity and drivers. GTX are faster clocked but relatively less reliable. GTX are game optimized, Quadro drivers are CAD optimized (extremely so) GTX are much cheaper, but may have a shorter lifetime (but who runs a render farm on 10 year old cards...) GTX offer very fast single precision calculations, Quadro single and double. Almost all 3D rendering is done single precision.

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Post by audunw »

I wish there was more information about the acceleration structures and how they're generated.

When I worked on hardware raytracing, my conclusion was that the actual tracing was not the difficult part. That can be very well optimized, requires very little silicon to do and is only really limited by memory bandwidth.

The difficult part for real-time raytracing of animated scenes is generating efficient acceleration structures fast enough.

It makes sense that the API for this is opaque, but it would still be nice to know what goes on behind the scenes.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by oblio »

sundvor wrote: post #283
adar wrote: post #273

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> Better cancel my pre-order then... I mean you're not countering his point in any way. He didn't say nobody would buy it, but it's a simple fact that most people can't afford or justify a thousand dollar GPU. The vast majority of people buying Nvidia GPUs in the 10xx generation were going for 1060s and 1070s.

Yet, going by a scan of people on the train last time I caught it, heaps of people seem to find money for iPhone Xs at almost the same price point. If you're sufficiently dedicated, even with limited funds going for every second or third iteration of halo products can be a great strategy. That way when you get it you'll have the absolutely best there is and a couple of years down the track it'll still be great but ma…

Don't most people get expensive phones because of subsidies from carriers? Or at least, they pay monthly installments for these devices, through data plans (basically).

Do people really take out loans to get super expensive video cards?

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