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Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by throwaway5752 »

bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCI_Red#First_to_TFLOPS for those feeling sentimental.

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Post by mastazi »

andoriyu wrote: post #194
eanzenberg wrote: post #146

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I'm gaming at 4k60fps ultra everything modern games on a single 1080ti right now.

If you turn on extreme anti-aliasing then yeah, it might struggle, but guess what? Anti-aliasing ain't that important on 4k.

I agree with you, aliasing is obviously less noticeable at higher resolutions, simply because the pixels are smaller (or the pixel density is higher, whichever way you want to see it).

It's just common sense but if anyone needs proof, they could look at the pictures here (e.g. look at 8X MSAA 1080p vs only 2X at 4K, yet the latter has less visible aliasing): https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/180402-five-things-to-kno...

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Post by sundvor »

adar wrote: post #273
deadbunny wrote: post #191

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> it is way too expensive for regular gamers Better cancel my pre-order then... > 2080Ti likely won't be able to do 4k@60Hz like 1080Ti couldn't either My 1080ti and 4k monitor beg to differ.

> Better cancel my pre-order then... I mean you're not countering his point in any way. He didn't say nobody would buy it, but it's a simple fact that most people can't afford or justify a thousand dollar GPU. The vast majority of people buying Nvidia GPUs in the 10xx generation were going for 1060s and 1070s.

Yet, going by a scan of people on the train last time I caught it, heaps of people seem to find money for iPhone Xs at almost the same price point.

If you're sufficiently dedicated, even with limited funds going for every second or third iteration of halo products can be a great strategy. That way when you get it you'll have the absolutely best there is and a couple of years down the track it'll still be great but maybe it won't quite do Ultra anymore on the latest titles.

The 1080TI transformed my experience of my X34 Predator (it even paid for itself through timely sale of mining profits) which does 3440x1440 @95hz. I certainly wouldn't mind the new card but I'll wait for the next one after that minimum.

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Post by nabla9 »

sabalaba wrote: post #131
jlg23 wrote: post #64

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Without anything beyond claims what reality™ is, your response unfortunately just reads like an ad for your company.

"Reality", in our case, is based on conversations with a few dozen customers who use our products as well as the actively publishing researchers we know personally. The majority of sampled customers are training convnets of some fashion, the most common being Yolo/SSD and ResNet.

Do these people who you talk with know the specs?

Do they know if tensor cores in the these processors are just good for interference or are they similar to the more pricey models (floating point precision)?

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Post by lugg »

snuxoll wrote: post #237
viraptor wrote: post #209

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This all sounds like normal r&d and market forces. New stuff is low volume and premium prices. Once it becomes more common and more production lines are switched, the prices fall and the features get included into other models. This applies to virtually every product. Or did you want to highlight something else I missed?

The new products are launching at the same price point similarly specced parts from the previous generation have been selling at. "Low volume" doesn't really play when you're talking silicon manufacturing, when you spend millions of dollars to make a mask you want to get ROI on it quickly - the GTX 1070 sold at over $200 less than the GTX 980 Ti, for example, at launch. When you sell a product that actually has less…

Lots of people.

The hype around "ti" is unreal. Now they're changing it to "RTX" and "ti". /shock /awe /s

To me, it's pretty clear NVIDIA is cashing out.

Have you not noticed the market slaps the word gaming on commodity hardware along with a bunch of christmas lights and people happily pay a premium for it.

Gamers aren't the brightest bunch and a $1000 is the right price point when people are gladly dropping that on a mobile phone now.

Sure compared to a few years ago I'd agree with you, this market? this hype? No.

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Post by TomVDB »

shaklee3 wrote: post #260
TomVDB wrote: post #135

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It’s very strange how AMD reveals so much of their roadmap.

About 4 years ago Nvidia also used to publish a "roadmap" that showed a somewhat fake performance versus architecture plot. They stopped doing that after Volta.

There’s a huge difference between saying “we will have something in the future” (duh) and saying “we have absolutely nothing for the next year and a half.”

The latter gives your competitor the freedom to ask any price the market will accept without having to worry about a competitor undercutting this price in some near future.

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Post by css »

gambiting wrote: post #39

The prices are absolutely insane. I was prepared to pay £599 for the 2080, but £749 for a non-Ti card is a joke. It feels to me like Nvidia knows there's no competition from AMD so they can ask for literally any price and people will pay it.

Remember that in the US you have to factor in the upcoming 25% import tariff.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

emodendroket wrote: post #272
jdietrich wrote: post #123

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>it is way too expensive for regular gamers The 80 series has always been a low-volume, high-margin halo product within Nvidia's gaming range. It's dirt cheap and high-volume compared to Quadro, but top-of-the-range for gaming. Cryptomania has revealed to Nvidia that they probably priced the 1080 too low at launch - many gamers were in fact willing to pay substantially inflated prices for The Best GPU. If the mass ma…

The 70 series is traditionally pretty popular for gamers though. At $600, though, I mean... that's at the point where just the graphics card is more than one of the 4K consoles Microsoft or Sony is putting out. Obviously a PC game is going to look nicer, but someone has to start thinking about that comparison.

> I mean... that's at the point where just the graphics card is more than one of the 4K consoles Microsoft or Sony is putting out.

The console might output 4K but that doesn't mean the GPU inside can handle higher settings than a 1060. The $600 GPU is irrelevant to that comparison.

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